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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
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    So God is evil to send sinful people to hell?
     
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    People put themselves in hell by sin.

    If you decided to go to hell that would be a sin, That is eternal separation from God, and active sin.

    They don't praise God in hell, they sin there.


    Evil's worst nightmare is to be thrown in heaven, God would be its absolute horror.


    The mistake being made here is applying justice from a worldy man's perspective, his currency is suffering.

    He says I deserve in neglect of what God deserves.

    You have a child who makes a mistake, Well he decides he doesn't deserve to live and suicides. How is that justice for you the father? No you deserve that he makes up for it in behaving the proper way.

    When you sin its not a PERK that you pay for with suffering and punishment. The complete damage is done within the sin itself. A SAINT would rather burn then sin against God. The enemy here is sin and all of God's punishment is geared towards the correction of the sinner.

    Just the opposite of the Saint, the Wicked would rather burn then do anything remotely good for God.

    They hate God and everything about God including their own existence.


    On paper when a child does wrong and he repents and wants to beat himself with a hammer for it, it sounds cute, but he is trying to employ his own sense of Justice based on suffering, not GOD's.

    If you think anyone deserves to suffer for the wrongs they commit, Jesus Christ picked up that tab when he died on the cross, he's paying Your sense of justice to cover for everyone's suffering.

    No one sticks their hand in a fire, burns themselves, and thinks wow that's great lets do it again. More then likely they repent on the spot and think to themselves wow that was stupid, they don't harp on it and figure well i deserve to burn my foot too.

    We are going to come to a point of believing sin to be just as repulsive. It is dumber to sin then to burn your own hand on purpose. Sinning is stupid in every way.
     
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    Did God send the sinners in Sodam to hell, did he judge them for their sins?
     
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    “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
     
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    Born from above, as that rebirth is caused by the Holy Spirit Himself.
     
  6. Revmitchell

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    You added to scripture there what is not in that passage.
     
  7. Yeshua1

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    That which is born of the Spirit is spirit, that of the flesh is flesh ,aHd the Spirit blows as He so wills.
     
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    That doesn't mean what you say it means but the power to get saved comes from the gospel Romans 1:16
     
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    John states that those saved are due to the will of God, correct?
     
  10. Revmitchell

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    What does that have to do with where the power in salvation comes from. See I believe the Bible when it says that the power for salvation is the gospel. You deny that. I believe the Bible when it says that the gospel alone provides the power for salvation. You deny that. The will of God is that all men everywhere would get saved.
     
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    Ann, were you taught that in Catholic school? I never heard if it.
     
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    No - That wasn't me who wrote that.
     
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    What if someone chooses to not sin?
     
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    Not true.

    People spend eternity in the Lake of Fire by not having their names written in the Book of Life.
     
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    Seriously?....... you sure its not by being thrown into a lake?

    Okay guys, heres the mission....lets write everyone's name in that book.

    I'll steal the book and you steal the pen.
     
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    People put themselves in hell to get the others out. :Ninja
     
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    Some snippets from various commentators who had the scriptural view of 1 Cor. 2:14:

    Matthew Henry : Thus the natural man, destitute of the Spirit of God.

    Adam Clarke : The man who is in a state of nature, without the regenerating grace of God.

    Barnes Notes : It refers to unregenerate people.

    Robertson's Word Pictures : A natural man, an unregenerate man.

    Wesley's Explanatory Notes : But the natural man, --that is, every man who hath not the Spirit.

    Michael Barrett : The unconverted man dead in sins and trespasses.

    Peter Pett's Commentary on the Bible : The man without the Spirit, man as he is without God.

    Thomas DD Constable's Expository Notes of the Bible : The natural man is any person who does not possess the Holy Spirit, namely, unbelievers.

    John Piper : The unspiritual man is the natural man, the man who is merely human, who is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

     
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    God's will prevails no matter what. There was no prophet sent to preach to Sodom or Gomorrah.

    So, according to your premise, it pleased God not to offer them repentance. It was His will they die in their sins.

    It pleased God not to intervene to prevent the Fall. The Fall was part of His will for the world.

    Where do you escape any difficulties with "free will" that you think plague Calvinism?
     
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    What cult do you attend?
     
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    OK. I agree

    First, you nor I know that is true. Second, Romans 1:19 was just as true then as it is now.

    No that is not my premise and I have no idea how you came to that conclusion that it is.

    Scripture please


    Ok. Not sure this means or implies what you think it does.

    I don't understand this maybe you can reword it.
     
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