Your Sins You Will Remember No More

[Van]

From the abundance of your own posts your view is seen and why I ask.

You can claim to be a mind reader or claim I addressed the issue in an unreferenced post, but no quote will be forthcoming. Let me ask you one question, did the Fall result in everyone "in Adam" being inclined toward sin? If your answer is yes, how is that "free will?"

To repeat, you have no idea what you are talking about, stop making up falsehoods.

 

[agedman]

You can claim to be a mind reader or claim I addressed the issue in an unreferenced post, but no quote will be forthcoming. Let me ask you one question, did the Fall result in everyone "in Adam" being inclined toward sin? If your answer is yes, how is that "free will?"

To repeat, you have no idea what you are talking about, stop making up falsehoods.

I’ll just wait for your next episode into how a person of their own can prevent others from entering the kind ngdom, or when you post that shallow soil which had no ability to support life could of its own strength joyfully receive the word.

 

[Van]

Anyone can read Matthew 23:13 and see that Jesus taught that false teachers blocked some from entering the kingdom. Anyone can read Matthew 13:20 and see that Jesus taught a person could receive the gospel with joy. But neither of these verses even mentions "free will." Stop making up falsehoods.

 

[HankD]

Anyone can read Matthew 23:13 and see that Jesus taught that false teachers blocked some from entering the kingdom. Anyone can read Matthew 13:20 and see that Jesus taught a person could receive the gospel with joy. But neither of these verses even mentions "free will." Stop making up falsehoods.

I like your point of view Van.

How do we view the everlasting Gospel??

Is God in the business of EXPANDING or SHRINKING the Kingdom of God??

Matthew 22
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


HankD

 

[agedman]

Anyone can read Matthew 23:13 and see that Jesus taught that false teachers blocked some from entering the kingdom. Anyone can read Matthew 13:20 and see that Jesus taught a person could receive the gospel with joy. But neither of these verses even mentions "free will." Stop making up falsehoods.

So the freedom to enter the kingdom was blocked by others. In order for it to be blocked they had to have the free will to choose to enter in the first place.

 

[Van]

So the freedom to enter the kingdom was blocked by others. In order for it to be blocked they had to have the free will to choose to enter in the first place.

1) Being in the process of "entering" the kingdom does not guarantee entry. For example Matthew 23:13. But being in the process of entering the kingdom does demonstrate some spiritual ability, thereby demonstrating "total spiritual inability" is bogus doctrine.

2) Choosing to enter the kingdom, choosing to seek God, demonstrates some spiritual ability, not the freedom to actually enter or actually reconcile ourselves to God.

3) We did not put ourselves into the kingdom of His Son, God did.

4) We sought reconciliation, but God did the reconciliation, not us.

5) God sets before humankind the choice of life or death, but it is God who decides whether our choice was valid because we believe in Christ from the heart, or invalid because we did not go "all in" for Christ, like the second and third soils of Matthew 13.

6) We were never free to will ourselves into salvation, that choice was God's alone!

 

[agedman]

1) Being in the process of "entering" the kingdom does not guarantee entry. For example Matthew 23:13. But being in the process of entering the kingdom does demonstrate some spiritual ability, thereby demonstrating "total spiritual inability" is bogus doctrine.

2) Choosing to enter the kingdom, choosing to seek God, demonstrates some spiritual ability, not the freedom to actually enter or actually reconcile ourselves to God.

3) We did not put ourselves into the kingdom of His Son, God did.

4) We sought reconciliation, but God did the reconciliation, not us.

5) God sets before humankind the choice of life or death, but it is God who decides whether our choice was valid because we believe in Christ from the heart, or invalid because we did not go "all in" for Christ, like the second and third soils of Matthew 13.

6) We were never free to will ourselves into salvation, that choice was God's alone!

Yet, does not your statement present that just the ability to seek reconciliation actually is a demonstration of that freedom of the will, to will of one’s own authority to enter? For in your view, does it not stress that the freedom of the will is in the ability to choose righteousness rather then ungodliness, and therefore to willingly choose to enter?

How can one prevent entry, unless one is free to choose whether to be prevented or not?

Or is it a mater of strength? Is there some lack of sufficient strength to overcome those that would hinder entry?

 

[Van]

LOL Agedman, a will that is constrained is not free. God sets before us the choice of life or death, therefore we are able to make that chiice. However, can we choose to save ourselves? Nope. Can we choose to reconcile ourselves? Nope. Perhaps you need to stop claiming others believe in free will, when you are really saying they do not believe in total spiritual inability. No need for a smoke screen.

 

[agedman]

LOL Agedman, a will that is constrained is not free. God sets before us the choice of life or death, therefore we are able to make that chiice. However, can we choose to save ourselves? Nope. Can we choose to reconcile ourselves? Nope. Perhaps you need to stop claiming others believe in free will, when you are really saying they do not believe in total spiritual inability. No need for a smoke screen.

If God sets before man “the choice of life or death,” does he not give humankind freedom of choice?

Is the will free to make such a choice?

If as you say one can be prevented (hindered) from entering the kingdom, then do they not ha e free will to enter if they were not so hindered?

Why then cannot humanity choose to reconcile themselves if they can enter the kingdom or have such spiritual ability?

 

[Van]

LOL Agedman, a will that is constrained is not free. Please stop posting absurdly.
"If God sets beore" as if you do not know what scripture says? No, if about it, God does.
Is a will that is unable to save free?
If you define "free will" as a somehate free will, you need to define it.
Can we choose to save ourselves? Nope. Can we choose to reconcile ourselves? Nope. Perhaps you need to stop claiming others believe in free will, when you are really saying they do not believe in total spiritual inability. No need for a smoke screen.

 

[agedman]

LOL Agedman, a will that is constrained is not free. Please stop posting absurdly.
"If God sets beore" as if you do not know what scripture says? No, if about it, God does.
Is a will that is unable to save free?
If you define "free will" as a somehate free will, you need to define it.
Can we choose to save ourselves? Nope. Can we choose to reconcile ourselves? Nope. Perhaps you need to stop claiming others believe in free will, when you are really saying they do not believe in total spiritual inability. No need for a smoke screen.

Does a person have natural innate freedom to choose to enter the kingdom?

Do others have free ability to prevent any entry?

Can anyone have freedom to choose that which is righteous?

Do all have spiritual ability to freely express their will and choose righteousness or unrighteousness?

 

[Van]

Does a person have natural innate freedom to choose to enter the kingdom?
Do others have free ability to prevent any entry?
Can anyone have freedom to choose that which is righteous?
Do all have spiritual ability to freely express their will and choose righteousness or unrighteousness?

Yet more questions, but did you address mine? Nope. Whatever happened to do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

1) Can anyone choose to enter the kingdom? Nope. Can most anyone (excluding soil #1) choose to want to enter the kingdom after hearing and understanding to a degree the gospel? Yes. See Matthew 13:1-23.

2) Can false teaches hinder people from understanding the actual gospel and therefore prevent entry? Yes, see Matthew 23:13.

3) Can those who have "life" set before them choose life? Yes. See Deuteronomy 30:19 Does making that choice guarantee the person's faith will be credited as righteousness? Nope.

4) Does everyone have limited spiritual ability such that they can choose life when set before them? Nope, some of lost their ability, like soil #1. See Matthew 13:1-23.

Can we choose to save ourselves? Nope. Can we choose to reconcile ourselves? Nope. Perhaps you need to stop claiming others believe in free will, when you are really saying they do not believe in total spiritual inability. No need for a smoke screen.

 

[agedman]

Yet more questions, but did you address mine? Nope. Whatever happened to do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

It is still there

1) Can anyone choose to enter the kingdom? Nope. Can most anyone (excluding soil #1) choose to want to enter the kingdom after hearing and understanding to a degree the gospel? Yes. See Matthew 13:1-23.

I see that you have the word “want” now in this statement.

Did any ground, no matter the type, “want” the seed? Or was the seed scattered indiscriminately upon the ground?

Here is a difficulty.

Do you not present the ground as desiring seed? How is such a desire shown in Matthew 13?

2) Can false teaches hinder people from understanding the actual gospel and therefore prevent entry? Yes, see Matthew 23:13.

How did false teachers “hinder from understanding the actual gospel” if the gospel is “the power of God unto salvation?”

3) Can those who have "life" set before them choose life? Yes. See Deuteronomy 30:19 Does making that choice guarantee the person's faith will be credited as righteousness? Nope.

Are you stating that choosing “life” is not choosing eternal life?

What then is the life one can choose?

4) Does everyone have limited spiritual ability such that they can choose life when set before them? Nope, some of lost their ability, like soil #1. See Matthew 13:1-23.

Now this is confusing. How can soil #1 loose what you answer as they don’t have. Do they loose the ability before they have been given a choice?

Can we choose to save ourselves? Nope. Can we choose to reconcile ourselves? Nope. Perhaps you need to stop claiming others believe in free will, when you are really saying they do not believe in total spiritual inability. No need for a smoke screen.

One cannot choose to reconcile or save, but they can choose life?

So what is this life if it is not salvation or reconciliation?

 

[Van]

Agedman, answer my questions, stop wasting time obfuscating. A constrained will is not free, so there is no such thing as a free will, able to do whatever it might want.

The Bible says everything good comes from God. Some older folks grow mean spirited while others grow kind and loving. I am all for giving credit where credit is due (i.e. the blessings of God) but would not blame God for causing this person to turn away from righteousness. God causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass.

Total Spiritual Inability is false theology, natural folks (excluding soil #1 of Matthew 13) have limited spiritual ability, able to understand spiritual milk, the fundamentals of the gospel

 

[agedman]

Agedman, answer my questions, stop wasting time obfuscating. A constrained will is not free, so there is no such thing as a free will, able to do whatever it might want.

The Bible says everything good comes from God. Some older folks grow mean spirited while others grow kind and loving. I am all for giving credit where credit is due (i.e. the blessings of God) but would not blame God for causing this person to turn away from righteousness. God causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass.

Total Spiritual Inability is false theology, natural folks (excluding soil #1 of Matthew 13) have limited spiritual ability, able to understand spiritual milk, the fundamentals of the gospel

Intellectual comprehension is not an indication of any spiritual ability. Many are/we’re the intellectuals who can quote the Bible, have great authority in knowledge in the languages, but are/were of their father the devil. Such have no spiritual ability.

You stated “God causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass,” and therefore you must also agree that no human has the ability to attain what is Godly unless either God Causes or God allows.

Other then that, according to your own statement, extrapolated to the logical conclusion, there is no “spiritual ability in any place the seed lands outside of that which God prepares and allows seed to land, the soil which the seed will mature to harvest.

God does not harvest from the rocks, thorns, shallow, for they have nothing of value in the harvest.

 

[Van]

Mr. Agedman,
1) Can anyone choose to enter the kingdom? Nope. Can most anyone (excluding soil #1) choose to want to enter the kingdom after hearing and understanding to a degree the gospel? Yes. See Matthew 13:1-23.

2) Can false teaches hinder people from understanding the actual gospel and therefore prevent entry? Yes, see Matthew 23:13.

3) Can those who have "life" set before them choose life? Yes. See Deuteronomy 30:19 Does making that choice guarantee the person's faith will be credited as righteousness? Nope.

4) Does everyone have limited spiritual ability such that they can choose life when set before them? Nope, some of lost their ability, like soil #1. See Matthew 13:1-23.

Can we choose to save ourselves? Nope. Can we choose to reconcile ourselves? Nope. Perhaps you need to stop claiming others believe in free will, when you are really saying they do not believe in total spiritual inability. No need for a smoke screen.

 

[agedman]

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Mr. Agedman,
1) Can anyone choose to enter the kingdom? Nope. Can most anyone (excluding soil #1) choose to want to enter the kingdom after hearing and understanding to a degree the gospel? Yes. See Matthew 13:1-23.

2) Can false teaches hinder people from understanding the actual gospel and therefore prevent entry? Yes, see Matthew 23:13.

3) Can those who have "life" set before them choose life? Yes. See Deuteronomy 30:19 Does making that choice guarantee the person's faith will be credited as righteousness? Nope.

4) Does everyone have limited spiritual ability such that they can choose life when set before them? Nope, some of lost their ability, like soil #1. See Matthew 13:1-23.

Can we choose to save ourselves? Nope. Can we choose to reconcile ourselves? Nope. Perhaps you need to stop claiming others believe in free will, when you are really saying they do not believe in total spiritual inability. No need for a smoke screen.

Intellectual comprehansion and agreement is not spiritual ability. This is evident in both Deuteronomy - intellectual agreement and also in Matthew - intellectual agreement.

God does not harvest from the rocks, thorns, shallow, for they have nothing of value in the harvest.

There is no “spiritual ability” in intellectual comprehension and agreement Which is why the gospel is foolishness.

 

[Van]

Did you see any answers? Only evasion.

The definition of spiritual ability is easy, if people can understand spiritual milk, the fundamentals of the gospel, they have some spiritual ability. Clearly the three soils (2,3 and 4) had some spiritual ability. Clearly the people entering the kingdom in Matthew 23:13 had some spiritual ability. Clearly the woman at the well had some spiritual ability. Total Spiritual Inability from conception is false theology.

 

[agedman]

Did you see any answers? Only evasion.

The definition of spiritual ability is easy, if people can understand spiritual milk, the fundamentals of the gospel, they have some spiritual ability. Clearly the three soils (2,3 and 4) had some spiritual ability. Clearly the people entering the kingdom in Matthew 23:13 had some spiritual ability. Clearly the woman at the well had some spiritual ability. Total Spiritual Inability from conception is false theology.

No, Van.

The prime example is found in the Scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees.

The had intellectual ability but no “spiritual” ability.

One can memorize the Scriptures, but never be given the Spiritual ability.

For example Charles Darwin was baptized Anglican, raised Unitarian, partially educated in religion to be a pastor, helped a local Anglican pastor and good friend “Downe,” dwelled in deep depression and died miserably of heart failure.

For all his intellect and knowledge of Scripture, he had no Spiritual ability.

For example Voltaire, who could quote great passages of Scripture and as were many, a deist leaning toward Hindu thinking.

For all his intellect and knowledge of Scriptures, he had no Spiritual ability.

 

[Van]

Your dog will not hunt.

You deny people entering the kingdom had spiritual ability!!!!!!