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If a Calvinist Preached on the Gospel from your Pulpit

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed, Jan 19, 2018.

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  1. Reynolds

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    Calvinism on the board is fine. The board is for debate. Debate, even on a board needs to stick to subject and stay away from personal insults and such. Dealing with it in person all the time gets old. I sure do,t go to church to argue about it.
    If you don't mind, I would be interested in hearing what you see as the difference between Reformed and Neo Calvinism. Maybe I am dealing with Neo, because I get along very well with many older Calvinists. Many of my older Calvinist friends make statements often about how annoying the "young Calvinists" are.
     
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    The message from both camps would be we are sinners, whose only hope is to trust/put faith into Jesus Christ to be the Messiah/Lord that saves us, we do differ on how that actual is done by God in the salvation process though still!
     
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    Some Calvinists would state that "calvinism is the Gospel," while others like myself would see it the best way to understanding how the Gospel itself works in regards to salvation of sinners. The model of it if you Weill!
     
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    I will be happy to do so. I'll get to that this evening when I get home.

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    Is that the New calvinism, the one into charasmatic chaos, into all contemporary music, basically feel like can bring Christianity into modern culture "more fully?"
     
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    Whitfield was closer to the events of Dordt, so it is notupr
    OK. Let me elucidate on my earlier comments.

    There are two types of Neo-Calvinism. The first is brand of Calvinism that emerged from theologians such as Abraham Kuyper. This type of Neo-Calvinism was unhappy with the spiritual level of old Calvinism and wanted that to change. The type of Neo-Calvinism I am describing is best described as Millennial Calvinism. Millennial Calvinism is a term used to describe a new breed of Calvinists that entered the evangelical scene in this new millennium. You may be familiar with some of the names (mentioned earlier): David Platt, Mark Driscol, Matt Chandler et al. While Millennial Calvinists claim they embrace the five Solas of the Reformation, that is about where their association with the Reformed faith ends. The term "Reformed" means different things depending on whether you are talking to a Baptist or a Presbyterian. Presbyterians believe that their form of church government and infant baptism (paedobaptism) are indivisible from Reformed theology. Reformed Baptists obviously disagree on the baptism and church government points, but we maintain solidarity with our Presbyterian brethren on confessionalism, Covenant Theology, keeping the Lord's day holy et al. Millennial Calvinists stray into continualist theology, hyper-contextualization, Dispensationalism, contemporary worship just to name a few distinctives.
     
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    I think it would it be fair to say that Neo-Calvinism is only reformed in its soteriology.
     
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    Wow, accordingly I am a Millennial!

    Can't wait to let my kid's know that their old day is younger then them. Do I have to give back my S.S?

    :)
     
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    It occurs to me that because both Spurgeon and Edwards were premillennial, then they too would be millennial!

    This is fun!

    :)
     
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    I'm not so sure that those who have been influenced by Kuyper are new to the scene since he died in 1920. Tim Keller, now about 65, was very influenced by Kuyper, for instance.
     
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    Kuyper's brand of Calvinism has been called Neo-Calvinism by theologians, that is why I wanted to differentiate the two.
     
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    Yes. I agree, but I think it's the Mark Driscoll's breed of Calvinist who should be referred to as "millennial". That's my only point.
     
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    Thanks for the info. Sheds some light on why these young Calvinists annoy me so badly.
     
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    That was my point too.
     
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    They also call them the "young and the restless".
     
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    Well said!
     
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    LOL!
     
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    Accurate name.
     
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    Then, they'd be as welcome as George Whitfield, William Carey, or C.H. Spurgeon.
     
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    Do you mean these men were rebels in their time?

    Whitfield certainly was. He was not allowed to preach in his denominations churches. He had to preach in the open air.

    I love the story of William Carey. Reformed (Particular) Baptist of his day; he labored under intense trials in India.

    Spurgeon had the audacity to preach the Gospel boldly and from an unabashed Calvinist conviction.

    All three men left a godly legacy. Of the three Whitfield was the only non-Baptist.

    P.S. I would be remiss if I did not mention Whitfield's advocacy of slavery in the American colonies. While many ministers were proponents of slavery, that position cannot be excused and any right account of history must mention their part in it.
     
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