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Calvinists are synergists

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Jan 27, 2018.

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  1. TCassidy

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    No. Prior to regeneration the lost man is God's enemy, he not only will not, he cannot believe. It is only God's regenerating Grace that allows the man to believe, repent, and obey. Lost people don't do that.
     
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    The error is to conflate regeneration with salvation. Regeneration results in faith which results in salvation, positional, progressive, and permanent.
     
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    There is no truth in your post.
     
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    So one must Believe in order to be saved, correct?
     
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    But you say synergists believe that they cooperate with God. How so?
     
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    Also, wouldn't you say that Regeneration = Spiritual Union with Christ = being made alive = Sonship = heirship? All this happens before faith? Hmm...
     
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    You are now answering a question you didn't ask, which makes any honest debate impossible.
     
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    But we do when we preach the gospel.
     
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    Nope, because there is no such thing as a monergist.
     
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    I am struck by your comment on hyper-Calvinist. Could you detail just who and what you think a hyper Calvinist is?

    In any event, a Calvinist (I believe anyway) holds to a Theocentric prospective of God...ie, not just Deo Gloria, but Soli Deo Gloria. Now perhaps that is what you mean by hyper Calvininst and if so then I am of that camp.
     
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    I disagree
     
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    No, I wouldn't. Again your are conflating several different things.
     
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    Anyone with an IQ greater than his hat size disagrees. :D
     
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    Extra ecclesiam nulla salus – “There is no salvation outside the church”

    IMO, Cals and non-Cals alike are in agreement with Rome on this, in principle. Thus both are 'synergistic' in this sense.
     
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    :Laugh Don’t candy coat it Tom:Laugh
     
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    Of course, that's not the case. And your insistence on this point demonstrates that you don't understand what monergism and synergism are as they relate to salvation.

    But, as I said earlier: The preacher does not work "in cooperation" with God. The preacher is the means of the delivering the gospel. Just as no one in their right mind would claim a newspaper delivery boy is involved in the publication of said newspaper, no one in their right mind can rightly claim that the preacher delivering the gospel has anything to do with the salvation it proclaims.

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    One of my seminary professors once joked, "A hyper-Calvinist is someone who is more Calvinistic than you are." We all got a good laugh out of that, and he wasn't being serious.

    Hyper-Calvinism is generally defined as the belief that the elect can and will be saved without the preaching of the Gospel. The outworking of this thought is that missions are, at best, unnecessary and, at worst, sinful.

    Blessings,

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    Thanks for clearing that up. I had always thought that a hyper Calvinist was a guy who drank too much coffee.
     
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    I had a sister who was brain damaged. If you attempted to preach the gospel to her it would not register. Your synerio is a fruitless one for someone like her. So are you telling me she died without knowing the Lord and are thus relegated to hell?
     
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