Sola Scriptura and OSAS...again

[Darrell C]

OSAS does not survive the Bible details
in Matthew 18 where we see "forgiveness revoked"
does not survive the Bible details in Romans 11 where we see 'salvation revoked"
Does not survive the Bible details in John 15 where those 'in Christ" are cut off and burned up.
Does not survive the Bible details in Ezek 18 where we see forgiveness revoked.
Does not surive the Bible details in Ephesians 6 where we see salvation revoked

Does not survive Paul's statement in 1 Cor 9 - "LEST after preaching the Gospel to others I myself should be disqualified from it"

Does not survive Romans 2:13

Does not survive Romans 2:4-9

Does not survive the details of Gal 4 "I fear I have labored over you in vain"

These are not just "so many Bible texts to be ignored" --

Again, already addressed, beginning here...

My arguments about Sola Scriptura go this way --

I have numerous threads started by me on this section of the board dealing with the fact that the false doctrine of OSAS does not survive the Bible details.

So here is "yet another"

OSAS does not survive the Bible details
in Matthew 18 where we see "forgiveness revoked"

Let's look at them:


It is ironic that the first argument you present is a good example of how the New Testament, and Scripture as a whole, is misunderstood by those who refuse to recognize the magnitude of the Cross.

As already shown, numerous times, the forgiveness here...


Matthew 18:21-35
King James Version (KJV)

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.

25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.

29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.

32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.


...is not Eternal Redemption, and is not the Remission of Sins in Completion as taught in Hebrews 10:14, which still have not adequately addressed. Just presenting false arguments (and I will point that out when we get to it) and saying it speaks generally doesn't change the fact that those who are sanctified by the Blood of Christ are made complete in regards to remission of sins...

...forever.

Here it is again:


Hebrews 10:1-4
King James Version (KJV)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.


The context is indisputably remission of sins, and here we see that the sacrifices of the Covenant of Law (nor those who offered them (Hebrews 7:11; Hebrews 9:9)) could not take away sins because the offering up of animals in the stead of the sinner...could not take away their sins. Hence they had to be repeated again.

But not so with the Sacrifice of Christ:


Hebrews 10:10-14
King James Version (KJV)

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


The false argument that I have somehow implied that "the idea that the atoning sacrifice ended the story "for the whole world" fixing the whole world as "forever saved." is ridiculous Bob, I have made it clear this applies only to those who are sanctified by the Blood of Christ. If I have not, then understnad this now...

...I have never, and will never, suggested "the idea that the atoning sacrifice ended the story "for the whole world" fixing the whole world as "forever saved."

What I have suggested, and in fact been very clear about, is that here we have the contrast between animal sacrifice and the Sacrifice of Christ. Those who have been sanctified by His Blood are made complete in regards to remission of sins...

...forever.

Now, address my actual argument, and please refrain from imposing false arguments into the discussion, it only wastes time.

Going back to Matthew 18, I do not expect you to understand this passage in a Biblical context because your refuse to understand that not all of the "Gospels" in Scripture are the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

And my response was so detailed it will not fit in one post with the additional commentary, Bob, so...


Continued...

 

[Darrell C]

Here...


Hebrews 4
King James Version (KJV)

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.


...the good news is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but that God was going to bring them into their own land and give them rest.

It cannot possibly be the Gospel of Christ because that was Mystery, as shown to you numerous times. Another point you ignore.

But you know Bob, seeing you impose glorification into a passage using the word "glory," I guess I can see how you would make the same word fit every passage, and give it the same meaning. Though I have not seen you respond to my post showing that if you are going to be consistent, then you need to make Solomon glorified as well.

Going back to the word Gospel, when the disciples were sent out to preach they did not preach the Gospel of Christ, for at this time, again...

...it was Mystery. It was not revealed to them, or to any of sons of God in past Ages. That is what Scripture makes clear.

They preached the Gospel of the Kingdom, which is similar to the glad tidings given to Israel, "The Promised Kingdom is at hand." But because the Gospel of Jesus Christ was not yet being revealed, who was this Gospel preached to? Well...

...the people it was relevant to, to whom the promises were made:


Matthew 10
King James Version (KJV)

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Christ ministered, during His earthly Ministry...as the promised Messiah, to Israel. But don't take my word for it...


Matthew 15:22-24
King James Version (KJV)

22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


...take Christ's Word for it.

And take Paul's Word...


Ephesians 3:4-5
King James Version (KJV)

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


...that the Gospel was a Mystery not revealed. He teaches this in numerous passages.

Every proof text and point you offered was addressed, got anything new we can use as an example of error?




God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

I appreciate the opportunity to discuss the topic and clarify our positions - I don't require that we agree on all points - just that the gaps be identified and positions clear on where differences actually exist.

Thanks for the discussion.

Bob

As always, it is my pleasure my friend.


God bless.

 

[Yeshua1]

That is true - but when you make false accusations you need some sort of "proof" other than simply "quoting yourself"

The doctrines of both the Sda and Rome are NOT of the scriptures, as they both hold to extra biblical revelation, and both teach another and false Gospel!

 

[Yeshua1]

I wish somebody would convince the devil that OSAS is biblical, if you could then maybe he would leave me alone. LOL

Few questions I have concerning the OSAS doctrine:

• if you are a Christian, does the devil fight or tempt you?
• if so, WHY? if the devil believed OSAS would he waste his time?

John 10 clearly says the he has come to "steal, kill, and destroy"

if you believe OSAS, what is the purpose of the devil?

God permits/allows Him to try us and tempt us, in order to refine and purify our walk in and with Christ!

 

[Yeshua1]

you have a long list of false accusations combined with "quoting yourself" --

switch to having an actual discussion about the Bible and doctrine.

What doctrines that I have listed regarding the SDa do you deny are true than?

 

[Darrell C]

What doctrines that I have listed regarding the SDa do you deny are true than?

This thread is not about SDA or Catholicism. Please start a thread if you would like to discuss them.

Only two pages left so lets stick with the focus of the OP.

So, in 25 words or less (just kidding, lol, it can be as long as you want), please tell the class why you think once someone is saved they are always saved. And I would like to see a Scriptural Basis for your statement. You can go to Biblegateway and copy and paste a text from there.


God bless.

 

[Yeshua1]

This thread is not about SDA or Catholicism. Please start a thread if you would like to discuss them.

Only two pages left so lets stick with the focus of the OP.

So, in 25 words or less (just kidding, lol, it can be as long as you want), please tell the class why you think once someone is saved they are always saved. And I would like to see a Scriptural Basis for your statement. You can go to Biblegateway and copy and paste a text from there.


God bless.

Jesus stated to us that he will raise and glorify ALL that the Father gave to Him to be saved, none ever lost, He is the Great High Priest, and per Jude, He can and does save forevermore! Also, paul stated to us that the Holy Spirit seals us against that day of final glorification, and NONE can break that seal, for none can undo the power and work of God!

 

[Darrell C]

Jesus stated to us that he will raise and glorify ALL that the Father gave to Him to be saved, none ever lost, He is the Great High Priest, and per Jude, He can and does save forevermore! Also, paul stated to us that the Holy Spirit seals us against that day of final glorification, and NONE can break that seal, for none can undo the power and work of God!

Excellent. Now, if you had only placed the supporting Scripture in with each statement it would have been...awesome!

For example:



Jesus stated to us that he will raise and glorify ALL that the Father gave to Him to be saved, none ever lost,


John 6:39
King James Version (KJV)

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


He is the Great High Priest, and per Jude, He can and does save forevermore!


Jude 22-25
King James Version (KJV)

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.


Also, paul stated to us that the Holy Spirit seals us against that day of final glorification,



2 Corinthians 5:1-5
King James Version (KJV)

1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.


and NONE can break that seal, for none can undo the power and work of God!



Hebrews 12:2
King James Version (KJV)

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.



Great post, Yeshua1.


God bless.

 

[delizzle]

My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
James 5:19‭-‬20 NIV

This one verse says it all. "Brothers and sisters" obviously refers to Christians who are "brothers and sisters" in Christ. Meaning those who are "saved". Yet in spite of being saved, they can still "wander from the truth". More so, those saved "brothers and sisters" in christ who "wander from the truth" would risk facing "death". Is this a spiritual death or physical death? If it is a physical death, why then is it immediately followed with discussion of sin? If it is a spiritual death, why else would James provide such warning to saved "Brothers and sisters" if they have no risk of spiritual death?

 

[Yeshua1]

My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
James 5:19‭-‬20 NIV

This one verse says it all. "Brothers and sisters" obviously refers to Christians who are "brothers and sisters" in Christ. Meaning those who are "saved". Yet in spite of being saved, they can still "wander from the truth". More so, those saved "brothers and sisters" in christ who "wander from the truth" would risk facing "death". Is this a spiritual death or physical death? If it is a physical death, why then is it immediately followed with discussion of sin? If it is a spiritual death, why else would James provide such warning to saved "Brothers and sisters" if they have no risk of spiritual death?

John answered that for us, as he stated that there is a sin that leads to physical death, and He asks us not to pray to God to have that averted! Think that God always reserves the right to call home one of Hos own at any time, even for dire chaistisement!

 

[delizzle]

John answered that for us, as he stated that there is a sin that leads to physical death, and He asks us not to pray to God to have that averted! Think that God always reserves the right to call home one of Hos own at any time, even for dire chaistisement!

Could you please provide the scripture reference? Thank you.

 

[BobRyan]

OSAS does not survive the Bible details
in Matthew 18 where we see "forgiveness revoked"
does not survive the Bible details in Romans 11 where we see 'salvation revoked"
Does not survive the Bible details in John 15 where those 'in Christ" are cut off and burned up.
Does not survive the Bible details in Ezek 18 where we see forgiveness revoked.
Does not surive the Bible details in Ephesians 6 where we see salvation revoked

Does not survive Paul's statement in 1 Cor 9 - "LEST after preaching the Gospel to others I myself should be disqualified from it"

Does not survive Romans 2:13

Does not survive Romans 2:4-9

Does not survive the details of Gal 4 "I fear I have labored over you in vain"

These are not just "so many Bible texts to be ignored"

This is a false argument. Again.

Not sure how that is supposed to be a compelling argument

 

[Darrell C]

My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
James 5:19‭-‬20 NIV

The context of James deals largely with Jewish brethren in the temporal. For example, the "works" which James speaks of in regards to Abraham is in no way teaching them how to be saved, or how to "keep their salvation," but simply deals with the fact that Abraham was justified (concerning his flesh, that is, in the body, regarding the temporal) before men, not that he was eternally redeemed through his works (faith, obedience, belief).

So we have several applications of James' statement here.

1. First keep in mind this is written to Jews:


James 1
King James Version (KJV)

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;


All Writers of the Bible do the same thing any preacher worth his salt does, he addresses both saved and unsaved in those who hear him preach. So first, we remove the reasoning...

This one verse says it all. "Brothers and sisters" obviously refers to Christians who are "brothers and sisters" in Christ.

...which, incidentally, is what the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachers) are guilty of in most of their proof-texts...they incorrectly apply statements concerning those who are not Christians to Christians. It is true that the Epistle was written to and circulated among Christians, but, that does not mean we ignore the warnings for those among them whose salvation could be questioned. That is why James makes the point "Can one be a Christian and not evidence that in his works?"

2. You are correct to ask...

Is this a spiritual death or physical death?

The answer is it is equally true that if a Christian falls into sin they can lose their physical lives, as seen in the examples of Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5), and those who partake of Communion unworthily (1 Corinthians 11, which, by the way applies to both believers and unbelievers who partake unworthily), as it is also true of unbelievers who can lose their physical lives due to sin. Sometimes God gets fed up and exacts the penalty for sin.

However, because we have so many texts that teach that salvation is eternal and cannot be lost, we know that for the Christian only physical death can be a result for sin.

3. We can easily see that eternal judgment is in view for the unbeliever among them, because the terminology is distinct to one in need of being converted (sinner, v.20) and in danger of eternal judgment:


James 5:19-20

King James Version (KJV)

19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.


So you see you make the same mistake we usually see in the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachings)...you overlook the fact that a sinner in need of conversion is in view.

In v. 19 we can apply this to those who are both saved and unsaved, because Christians can fall in error and be in need of being "turned around."

But, in v.20, the only relevance to the Christian is the exhortation to convert the sinner.

Understand?

Meaning those who are "saved".

We have to properly identify who is being spoken of, and you are not doing that.

Yet in spite of being saved, they can still "wander from the truth".

This is true, and for the Christian, if they remain unrepentant, there is the possibility for the wages of sin being exacted concerning their physical lives.

Death has always been the penalty for sin, and that still applies, in the temporal...to the Christian as well.

More so, those saved "brothers and sisters" in christ who "wander from the truth" would risk facing "death".

Friend, if you are going to speak of the Lord Jesus Christ, at least capitalize His Name.

You are trespassing in syllogism, and your conclusions show that.


Major Premise: Brethren are mentioned;

Minor Premise: judgment is spoken of that has a context of eternal judgment;

Conclusion: Brethren can suffer eternal judgment.

Despite the fact that so many passages teach that salvation is eternal, and guaranteed by the indwelling of God.

Is this a spiritual death or physical death?

Both.

If it is a physical death, why then is it immediately followed with discussion of sin?

If I said...

Brothers and sisters in Christ (those of you I speak to who are truly converted), if any of you do err from the truth, and one restore him to the truth;

...tell that person that he which turns around the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

...why would you impose only one application to the statement?

The person who errs from the truth can be saved or unsaved, both are in danger of death. For the believer, it is physical death. For the unbeliever, it is spiritual death.

And I will point out something else that contributes to the many errors of the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachers), and that is to make the term "soul" refer to the immaterial aspect of man's existence.

It isn't, it is a reference to the "person" in view.

Here are a few examples where this mistake cannot be made:


Acts 7:14
King James Version (KJV)

14 Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls.


Acts 27:37
King James Version (KJV)

37 And we were in all in the ship two hundred threescore and sixteen souls.


And I have a thread on that which just started, The Immortal Soul? Be glad to have you join it.

If it is a spiritual death, why else would James provide such warning to saved "Brothers and sisters" if they have no risk of spiritual death?

He doesn't, lol, he simply states to the brethren (who are Jews), who are saved...what they should do if one among them (Jews) is a sinner in need of conversion. We can give application of that to the believer who errs from truth as well, but you have to impose loss of salvation into the text.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Could you please provide the scripture reference? Thank you.

1 John 5:16-17
King James Version (KJV)

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.


I would agree with Yeshua1 in that this refers to physical death. We simply cannot impose spiritual death, because this would contradict Christ's teachings:


John 6:48-50
King James Version (KJV)

48 I am that bread of life.

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.


This promise is in a very familiar statement:


John 3:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Now, I would ask you a question: what does this verse...


Hebrews 10:14
King James Version (KJV)

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


...mean?


God bless.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Hi Bob, hope all is well with you. Unfortunately the other thread ended right after you answered my post, so thought I would start it again.

I asked, "Explain Hebrews 10:14," and this was your response:





Unfortunately, I cannot mark this as answered because it seems you are focusing on the wrong part of the verse. Certainly born again believers are in a state of continual sanctification (Progressive Sanctification), however, my point was in regards to the context of Hebrews 10, which is that of Atonement and Remission of sins. The Writer makes it clear that the sacrifices of the Law could not make perfect the comer thereunto...


Hebrews 10:1-4
King James Version (KJV)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.


However, being sanctified once (for all is an insertion) by the Sacrifice of Christ...


Hebrews 10:10-14
King James Version (KJV)

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


...we are, as God promised Israel in the Old Testament, made complete in regards to Remission of Sins...

...forever.

And that, my friend, is the clearest and most indisputable statement of OSAS in the entirety of Holy Scripture.

You would have to provide a context for the other two verses, because if you imply that men lost their salvation in the Old Testament, then that will broaden the discussion, as men were not born again, nor eternally redeemed in the Old Testament:


Hebrews 9:12-15
King James Version (KJV)

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


When the Promise was given, they "received" the promise of eternal inheritance.

When Christ died to obtain eternal salvation, redeem the transgressions which were under the (Covenant of) Law (which shows that men died apart from being made complete in regards to remission of sins), and give the Promise of eternal inheritance, we are looking at two different types of "receiving."

When the transgressions of the Old Testament saint were redeemed, they received the Promise they had been given.


God bless.

"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13 NIV What is that law Paul is referencing?

 

[Yeshua1]

OSAS does not survive the Bible details
in Matthew 18 where we see "forgiveness revoked"
does not survive the Bible details in Romans 11 where we see 'salvation revoked"
Does not survive the Bible details in John 15 where those 'in Christ" are cut off and burned up.
Does not survive the Bible details in Ezek 18 where we see forgiveness revoked.
Does not surive the Bible details in Ephesians 6 where we see salvation revoked

Does not survive Paul's statement in 1 Cor 9 - "LEST after preaching the Gospel to others I myself should be disqualified from it"

Does not survive Romans 2:13

Does not survive Romans 2:4-9

Does not survive the details of Gal 4 "I fear I have labored over you in vain"

These are not just "so many Bible texts to be ignored"



Not sure how that is supposed to be a compelling argument

Actually, it survives very well indeed, as the same God who saved us is also the One that keeps us saved, as we do not keep ourselves!

 

[Yeshua1]

Could you please provide the scripture reference? Thank you.

1 John 5:16

 

[BobRyan]

1 John 5:16

A good example of a text that does not say "God always reserves the right to call home one of Hos own at any time, even for dire chaistisement!"

 

[BobRyan]

OSAS does not survive the Bible details

in Matthew 18 where we see "forgiveness revoked"
does not survive the Bible details in Romans 11 where we see 'salvation revoked"

Does not survive the Bible details in John 15 where those 'in Christ" are cut off and burned up.
Does not survive the Bible details in Ezek 18 where we see forgiveness revoked.
Does not surive the Bible details in Ephesians 6 where we see salvation revoked

Does not survive Paul's statement in 1 Cor 9 - "LEST after preaching the Gospel to others I myself should be disqualified from it"

Does not survive Romans 2:13
Does not survive Romans 2:4-9

Does not survive the details of Gal 4 "I fear I have labored over you in vain"

These are not just "so many Bible texts to be ignored"

Actually, it survives very well indeed,

Too much Bible being ignored in that assertion