Orthodox Scholars Reaffirm Theological Validity of Women Deacons

[Yeshua1]

I have tested you and have found your ideas wanting as the great preponderance of Christian thought and teachings for the last 2000 plus years is different from what you now profess.

It is not what goes into the mouth, it is what comes out that displeases the Lord is what I have heard. I hear you folks don't drink alcohol either, but the Lord Jesus surely did as he went about his days travelling around preaching. Wine, the "fruit of the vine" was the standard drink for all.

In Col 2:16-17 it is written: "Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food or drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ".



"On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them..." [Acts 20:7] What was breaking of the bread? Nothing less than the Mass, the worship by Christians, and it was taking place on the first day of the week.


In 1 Cor 16 it also says: "Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 3Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem. 4If it seems advisable for me to go also, they will accompany me".

So if Christians were worshipping on Saturday, why would St. Paul be saying to take up the collection on Sunday? This makes no sense and it proves my point of Sunday worship, not your harking back to some OT principle..

The early Christian writers also spoke of Sunday worship, to wit: "Assemble on the Lord's Day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one". [The Didache 14:1]

Also: "And we too rejoice in celebrating the eighth day; because that was when Jesus rose from the dead..." [Epistle of Barnabas 15] (St. Barnabas in using the phrase "the eighth day" was referring to Sunday).

Sometime before 110 A.D., St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote to the Magnesians: "We have seen how former adherents of the ancient customs have since attained to a new hope; so that they have given up keeping the Sabbath, and now order their lives by the Lord's Day instead - the Day when life first dawned for us, thanks to Him (Jesus) and His death. [Epistle to the Magnesians 9]

So we know that as baptism replaced circumcision (Col 2:11-12) for Christians, so does Sunday replace Saturday. Observance of the Lord's Day is not out of the ordinary, but is exactly what was done by all Christians from the very beginning. Worshipping on Sunday is not some "mark of the beast" but the mark of the Christian.

The part of the Christians now celebrating Sunday as the Lord's day is correct, but there are only 2 given sacraments from God to us for today!

 

[Adonia]

The part of the Christians now celebrating Sunday as the Lord's day is correct, but there are only 2 given sacraments from God to us for today!

You remain wrong as always, but thank's for sharing.

 

[Yeshua1]

You remain wrong as always, but thank's for sharing.

Just 2 given to us in the inspired scriptures!

 

[Adonia]

Just 2 given to us in the inspired scriptures!

That claim did not occur until 1500 years or so down the road, and it was made by men who thought they knew better than the accumulated knowledge of the Church, the One Universal Christian Church which established by Jesus Christ Himself.

 

[One Baptism]

I have tested you and have found your ideas wanting as the great preponderance of Christian thought and teachings for the last 2000 plus years is different from what you now profess.

It is not what goes into the mouth, it is what comes out that displeases the Lord is what I have heard. I hear you folks don't drink alcohol either, but the Lord Jesus surely did as he went about his days travelling around preaching. Wine, the "fruit of the vine" was the standard drink for all.

In Col 2:16-17 it is written: "Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food or drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ".



"On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them..." [Acts 20:7] What was breaking of the bread? Nothing less than the Mass, the worship by Christians, and it was taking place on the first day of the week.


In 1 Cor 16 it also says: "Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 3Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem. 4If it seems advisable for me to go also, they will accompany me".

So if Christians were worshipping on Saturday, why would St. Paul be saying to take up the collection on Sunday? This makes no sense and it proves my point of Sunday worship, not your harking back to some OT principle..

The early Christian writers also spoke of Sunday worship, to wit: "Assemble on the Lord's Day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one". [The Didache 14:1]

Also: "And we too rejoice in celebrating the eighth day; because that was when Jesus rose from the dead..." [Epistle of Barnabas 15] (St. Barnabas in using the phrase "the eighth day" was referring to Sunday).

Sometime before 110 A.D., St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote to the Magnesians: "We have seen how former adherents of the ancient customs have since attained to a new hope; so that they have given up keeping the Sabbath, and now order their lives by the Lord's Day instead - the Day when life first dawned for us, thanks to Him (Jesus) and His death. [Epistle to the Magnesians 9]

So we know that as baptism replaced circumcision (Col 2:11-12) for Christians, so does Sunday replace Saturday. Observance of the Lord's Day is not out of the ordinary, but is exactly what was done by all Christians from the very beginning. Worshipping on Sunday is not some "mark of the beast" but the mark of the Christian.

Yeah, about those so-called 'church fathers' quotes, you may want to do more research:

Sunday Fraud: Church "Fathers" on the Lord's Day

Colossians 2, was thoroughly gone over here -

Colossians 2, the "nailed it to his cross", what was "it"?

Please read it.

 

[Adonia]

Yeah, about those so-called 'church fathers' quotes, you may want to do more research:

Sunday Fraud: Church "Fathers" on the Lord's Day

Colossians 2, was thoroughly gone over here -

Colossians 2, the "nailed it to his cross", what was "it"?

Please read it.

And what does it really say under your title "Sunday Fraud........."? It says: "and every Lord's day, hold your solemn assemblies, and rejoice: for he will be guilty of sin who...." Solemn assemblies"? Sounds like assembling to worship on the Lord's day to me. Did you miss that one?

No brother, it is clear through the historical evidence, through the Scriptures, through tradition, through all the writings of the men of the early Christian Church, worship was and still remains for the Christian on Sunday. Your sect is simply wrong on this.

Also, a quick look at the website which you told us to go to here is nothing less than some sort of SDA apologetics site. I'm not buying their heresy, or yours. Pickle Publishing - 100% Vegetarian! (Need I say more?)

Here's something from Crossbearer.net that explains this issue.

"The historical fact is, that the first Christian converts were Jews. These Jewish believers in Christ, continued to keep the Saturday Sabbath as their tradition and law commanded. As Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, led Gentiles to Christ, they would gather to worship the following day, Sunday. The reason was simple. Gentiles were forbidden by the Jewish Law to enter Jewish Synagogues and defile the Jewish Holy Place of worship! Paul had a tremendous struggle with the Jewish Converts called "Judaizers" who would follow him from city to city, telling the Gentile converts that they could not be saved unless they kept the Jewish laws, which included Sabbath Keeping. Paul would have to return, or write letters like the one he wrote to the Galatians, and convince these Gentile converts that they were saved by faith in Jesus Christ, not by keeping the Jewish Law! So the early Christian church worshipped on both days, from the very onset of the Christian faith! The Jewish Converts on Saturday, the Gentile converts on Sunday! As the Jewish converts passed away, and the Gentile church continued to thrive, it would only be reasonable to note that the observance of Sunday took precedence!"

 

[Yeshua1]

Yeah, about those so-called 'church fathers' quotes, you may want to do more research:

Sunday Fraud: Church "Fathers" on the Lord's Day

Colossians 2, was thoroughly gone over here -

Colossians 2, the "nailed it to his cross", what was "it"?

Please read it.

Does one need to observe the Jewish Sabbath in order to be really saved?

 

[Yeshua1]

That claim did not occur until 1500 years or so down the road, and it was made by men who thought they knew better than the accumulated knowledge of the Church, the One Universal Christian Church which established by Jesus Christ Himself.

That church was not the Church of Rome, as that true church existed before RCC ever was founded!