Original Sin Again

How far we have come

Then:

THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER
1777 edition


A Lesson for Children.
Pray to God. Call no ill names. Love God. Use no ill words. Fear God. Tell no lies. Serve God. Hate Lies. Take not God's Speak the Truth. Name in vain. Spend your Time well. Do not Swear. Love your School. Do not Steal. Mind your Book. Cheat not in your play. Strive to learn. Play not with bad boys. Be not a Dunce.
A In ADAM'S Fall
We sinned all.
B Heaven to find;
The Bible Mind.
C Christ crucify'd
For sinners dy'd.
D The Deluge drown'd
The Earth around.
E ELIJAH hid
By Ravens fed.
F The judgment made
FELIX afraid.
...
The New England Primer, 1777 edition

Now:

choose if you are a girl or a boy and make sure you use the correct bathroom!

 

A Divine Song of Praise to GOD, for a Child (From the 1777 Reading Primer)

by the Rev. Dr. Watts.

HOW glorious is our heavenly King,
Who reigns above tha Sky!
How shall a Child presume to sing His dreadful Majesty!
How great his Power is none can tell,
Nor think how large his grace:
Nor men below, nor Saints that dwell,
On high before his Face.
Nor Angels that stand round the Lord,
Can search his secret will;
But they perform his heav'nly Word,
And sing his Praises still.
Then let me join this holy Train;
And my first Off'rings bring;
The eternal GOD will not disdain
To hear an Infant sing.
My Heart resolves,
my Tongue obeys,
And Angels shall rejoice,
To hear their mighty Maker's Praise,
Sound from a feeble Voice.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/nep/1777/

 

Imagine what would happen today if your primary school child brought this reader home!

A In ADAM'S Fall
We sinned all.

 

From the 1777 Reading Primer

Q. 16. Did all mankind fall in Adam's first transgression ?
A. The covenant being made with Adam, not only for himself, but for his posterity,
all mankind descending from him by ordinary generation, sinned in him, and fell will him in his first transgression.

Q. 17. Into what estate did the fall bring mankind ?
A. The fall brought mankind into an estate of sin and misery.

Q. 18. Wherein consists the sinfulness of that estate where into man fell ?
A. The sinfulness of that estate where into man fell, consists in the guilt of Adam's first sin, the want of original righteousness, & the corruption of his whole nature, which is commonly called original sin, together with all actual transgressions which proceed from it.

Q. 19. What is the misery of that state whereinto man fell ?
A. All mankind by the fall lost communion with God, are under his wrath & curse, and so made liable to the miseries in this life, to death itself, & to the pains of hell forever.

Q. 20. Did God leave all mankind to perish in the State of sin and misery ?
A. God having out of his mere good pleasure from all eternity elected some to everlasting life, did enter into a covenant of grace, to deliver them out of a state

of sin and misery, and to bring them into a state of salvation by a Redeemer.
Q. 21. Who is the Redeemer of God's elect?
A. The only Redeemer of God's elect, is the Lord Jesus Christ, who being the eternal Son of God, became man, and so was, and continues to be God and man, in two distinct natures, and one person forever.

OHOH Time for a law suit!

 

From my heart.

Was the first man, Adam, the living soul, in whose figure the Son of God came, created for the purpose of sin, which when finished would give birth to death?

Was Adam created of the flesh, that is carnel and when given the law, But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die; He was sold under sin? And the woman was taken from him and he told her the law?

Please consider: That before the foundation of the world, it had been foreordained that Christ, the Son of God, born of woman, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot, would shed his precious blood, die, for the purpose of redemption from death.

Is redemption, the means of destroying the works of the devil, Satan?

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:14

Was original sin necessary for what was foreordained before the foundation of the world?

I could ask many, however one more question.

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Matt 1:23-25


Was that in bold necessary for, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot and is not the scenario of Joseph, Mary and a law similar to that in the garden of Eden?

Sin against whom?

 

The dynamics of sin's inception into the world is Romans 5:12 of which there are mixed opinions but only one correct meaning.

In many places God appears to act outside of time's dynamic, we must keep that in mind.

 

I do not consider my post outside of Rom 5:12. Adam was the first man and Adam's sin brought, the death, the power of the devil, to all men from Adam forward.

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? < At that very moment, there had been no sin and no death in the world, however did Satan the devil exist and need to be destroyed? Had God already foreordained the means for the destruction of the devil and his works?

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. < What about at this very moment of the beginning of the sixth day? Did Satan the devil exist and need to be destroyed? Had God already foreordained the means for the destruction of the devil and his works?

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Same question?

Did the plan include the creation of man in the image of God, taking the woman from the man, the man sinning and bringing the death to himself and his kind to follow including the very Son of the living God, born of a virgin woman?

The resurrection of the dead, beginning with the first fruit? ?The last enemy?

Why was the first man created? How was the Son of God going to be manifested?

Acts 15:18 Yes or No?
Romans 8:20 Yes or No?

Does, hope there, have anything to the resurrection from the dead and or instant change? What was subjected to vanity? What had been created in six days and Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

 

percho, I really am not sure what you are asking. My thoughts about Romans 5:12 are very plain, simple and straightforward.

 

The doctrine is quite simple: Adam chose to sin. He knew God had said not to eat the fruit, and he ate the fruit. Now did this sin make us sinners? Nope. As a consequence of Adam's sin, were we made sinners by God? Yep
Are we guilty of Adam's sin? Nope. As a consequence of Adam's sin he was separated from God, kicked out and banned from the garden. We we conceived in that same sinful separated from God state? Yep
How is this corrupt condition (with our eyes being open) passed from Adam to mankind? Physically or spiritually? Spiritually. Note after Adam sinned, then both Adam and Eve's eyes were opened. Biology had nothing to do with it.

 

Yes God knows good and evil but not as a committer of evil but as a recipient.

Suppose you go out to dinner with your family and when you get home you see that your home has been broken into your possession stolen and you house trashed.

You have experienced evil as God does as a recipient of evil.

 

Interesting thought, thanks. God has knowledge of good and evil yet is not corrupt, but when our eyes were opened at least a little to the same knowledge, we became predisposed to sin. I will study it!

My only thought on this issue runs like this: God is on one side of a river, call it the river of no return. He has complete knowledge of it, but never ever crosses it. Adam, and as a consequence mankind, crossed the river and has knowledge, but from the other side, separated from God. Hence the predisposition to sin, in the separated state.

 

And what is the correct meaning?


God bless.

 

How so? What sin does a babe in the womb commit?

To say we are created "in the same separated state" is something I would agree with, but, not sinful until sin is committed.

Which would mean we would have to attribute Adam's sin to ourselves, which Scripture does not do.

Separation is the spiritual aspect, whereas personal sin is the physical aspect. Both are elements of our condition. All men will be judged according to their works, and that will determine the severity of eternal punishment.


God bless.

 

Consider Adam "knowing" his wife, that is, I believe, what is in view here.

We can see they understood what good and evil was, but, until they sinned they did not experience good and evil as God has. Not long after they would "know" the sorrow of of one son murdering another.


God bless.