Another Thread On Translation

No matter how many times the advocates argue for loose translations, they are swinging an empty sack in the air. When asked to provide a verse where the word for word translation philosophy would not accurately translate the text, no examples are offered.

 

Did you see see ad hominim arguments or a verse that cannot be accurately translated using word for word translation philosophy? Pay no attention to deflection posts, change the subject posts, When asked to provide a verse where the word for word translation philosophy would not accurately translate the text, no examples are offered.

 

translation issues:Clarity

KJV
1 chronicles 26
hief men, having wards one against another, to minister in the house of the LORD.
13 And they cast lots, as well the small as the great, according to the house of their fathers, for every gate.
14 And the lot eastward fell to Shelemiah. Then for Zechariah his son, a wise counsellor, they cast lots; and his lot came out northward.
15 To Obededom southward; and to his sons the house of Asuppim.
16 To Shuppim and Hosah the lot came forth westward, with the gate Shallecheth, by the causeway of the going up, ward against ward.
17 Eastward were six Levites, northward four a day, southward four a day, and toward Asuppim two and two.
18 At Parbar westward, four at the causeway, and two at Parbar.
19 These are the divisions of the porters among the sons of Kore, and among the sons of Merari.
20 And of the Levites, Ahijah was over the treasures of the house of God, and over the treasures of the dedicated things.
21 As concerning the sons of Laadan; the sons of the Gershonite Laadan, chief fathers, even of Laadan the Gershonite, were Jehieli.
22 The sons of Jehieli; Zetham, and Joel his brother, which were over the treasures of the house of the LORD.
23 Of the Amramites, and the Izharites, the Hebronites, and the Uzzielites:
24 And Shebuel the son of Gershom, the son of Moses, was ruler of the treasures.
25 And his brethren by Eliezer; Rehabiah his son, and Jeshaiah his son, and Joram his son, and Zichri his son, and Shelomith his son.

NIV
13 Lots were cast for each gate, according to their families, young and old alike.
14 The lot for the East Gate fell to Shelemiah. Then lots were cast for his son Zechariah, a wise counselor, and the lot for the North Gate fell to him.
15 The lot for the South Gate fell to Obed-Edom, and the lot for the storehouse fell to his sons.
16 The lots for the West Gate and the Shalleketh Gate on the upper road fell to Shuppim and Hosah. Guard was alongside of guard:
17 There were six Levites a day on the east, four a day on the north, four a day on the south and two at a time at the storehouse.
18 As for the court to the west, there were four at the road and two at the court itself.
19 These were the divisions of the gatekeepers who were descendants of Korah and Merari.
20 Their fellow Levites were in charge of the treasuries of the house of God and the treasuries for the dedicated things.
21 The descendants of Ladan, who were Gershonites through Ladan and who were heads of families belonging to Ladan the Gershonite, were Jehieli,
22 the sons of Jehieli, Zetham and his brother Joel. They were in charge of the treasuries of the temple of the LORD.
23 From the Amramites, the Izharites, the Hebronites and the Uzzielites:
24 Shubael, a descendant of Gershom son of Moses, was the officer in charge of the treasuries.
25 His relatives through Eliezer: Rehabiah his son, Jeshaiah his son, Joram his son, Zicri his son and Shelomith his son.

 

The "word for word" is misleading. Formal is a better descriptor. You cannot do word for word.

See Romans 3:5

But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is He? (I am speaking in human terms.) NASB

εἰ δὲ ἡ ἀδικία ἡμῶν θεοῦ δικαιοσύνην συνίστησιν, τί ἐροῦμεν; μὴ ἄδικος ὁ θεὸς ὁ ἐπιφέρων τὴν ὀργήν; ⸂κατὰ ἄνθρωπον λέγω⸃ The NASB uses about 38% more words in this verse.



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Hi McCree79, your preference is noted. Not my preference.
One of the falsehoods used by those advocating for loose translations is that word for word means using one English word for each Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek word. This is a straw-man, a canard. Each source language word or phrase meaning is translated by a distinct English word or phrase. So having more English words than Greek words in Romans 3:5 is a non-germane observation, in support of a straw-man argument.

The next straw-man argument is word for word translation philosophy versions, like the NKJV, LEB or NASB use the Greek word order. This too is false, they rearrange the words according to English word order. So yet another false argument. Interlinears use the source language word order, but a perusal of the NASB, ESV, LEB, and NKJV shows a consistent English word order.

Here is the opening phrase (Romans 3:5) from an interlinear, transliterated:
(1) ei, (2) de, (3) hE, (4) adikia, (5) hemon, (6) theou, (7) dikaiosunEn, (8) sunistEsin,
And here is the word order rearranged and translated,
(2) But (1) if (5) our (4) unrighteousness (8) demonstrates (3) the (7) righteousness (6) of God,

So the asserted problems with word for word translation philosophy (formal) versions are fabrications.

 

Formal translations are preferred for serious studies in the scriptures, such as Nasb/Nkjv/Web, but the looser versions such as Net and Niv can also be used at times, but should be avoided as being the primary ones used.

 

Clarity of modern translations

 

But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
Luke 14:10 KJV

But when you are invited, take the lowest place, so that when your host comes, he will say to you, ‘Friend, move up to a better place.’ Then you will be honored in the presence of all the other guests.
Luke 14:10 NIV

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In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
John 4:31‭-‬34 KJV

Meanwhile his disciples urged him, “Rabbi, eat something.” But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you know nothing about.” Then his disciples said to each other, “Could someone have brought him food?” “My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.
John 4:31‭-‬34 NIV



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I clearly answered that question in my post. But I did not say "word for word" I said "word for word translation philosophy versions." The use of straw-man arguments hides the empty sack. Loose translations are unnecessary.

 

The NIV because I understand it without going to the Hebrew source.