The Mystery of the Gospel of Jesus Christ

[Darrell C]

Do the folks not know that even our Lord pointed to the law and prophets because, “they spoke of me (Him).”

What folks do you refer to?

Do you not know that the Gospel of Christ is revealed by the Spirit?


1 Corinthians 2:9-11
King James Version (KJV)

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.



1 Peter 1:9-12
King James Version (KJV)

9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.


So don't know what "folks" you refer to, who you insinuate as ignorant, but, the question I ask again is do you know that the Gospel of Christ is revealed to men by the Holy Spirit? And that the Spirit ministers in the capacity of Comforter, which is distinct to this Age?


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[Darrell C]

If they (law and prophets) spoke of Him, then there is no mystery of the gospel.

My hope is one day you will understand this.

Until then, you are denying a basic truth which holds great importance to a sound Theology.

The mystery is the church, that which was never revealed in the law or prophets.

That was a mystery, to be sure, but that is not the sum total of the Mystery of the Gospel of Christ.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

The Messiah was not a mystery but that He would be the incarnation of the I AM was.

That is a mystery, not The Mystery.

Another "mystery" I thought of was that He would through His blood atonement make the Holy of Holies beyond the veil accessible to humankind through the High Priest sacrifice of the New Covenant after the order of Melchizedek.

We don't "think" of mysteries, they are either presented in Scripture as mysteries or they aren't.

And this is not a mystery, it is simply an aspect of The Mystery. And you are not very clear in the statement, it could be taken to mean that Christ offered up His blood (His death) in the earthly Tabernacle, rather than the Holiest of All as taught by the Writer of Hebrews, which was Heaven itself.

whosoever will may come.

There is NO EXCUSE!

Acts 17:30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all men everywhere to repent,

Which points to the change of the ministry of God towards God. This Age is made distinct from all others.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

I disagree, Hank.

What the teaching of the promise was is that there would be a suffering Messiah that would raise to the level of being both the political and spiritual redeemer.

Doesn't matter, lol, because no man understood that until Pentecost.

In the temple/tabernacle days,

Well, which one? Or both?

We can't say both, because when there was a Tabernacle there was no clear Prophecy of Messiah, but rather parable.

the blood atonement was a picture of the promised messiah,

That is correct, but it did not make men understand that God manifested in human flesh, His name was Jesus Christ, and that all men must believe on Him or perish.

Because the Mystery of the Gospel of Jesus Christ was not revealed to men then.

the blood atonement was a picture of the promised messiah, but what was hidden (and you are correct in this) was that torn veil significant as all may come, the salvation is for all, no longer hidden from the all and only the appointed could see and occasionally enter.

The "torn veil" that is relevant to the Gospel of Christ is the body of Jesus Christ, which opened the way into the Holiest of All, Heaven:


The earthly veil being torn signifies that it is obsolete, and no longer bestows access to God.


Hebrews 10:19-20
King James Version (KJV)

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

(This is part of the Melchizedek teaching of Paul).

While said to be "after the order of Melchisedec," Christ is not to be equated to a mere man. Melchisedec simply presents a picture of a man who's not a Priest according to the Law, who has no known genealogy.

our Acts 17 verse supports that all people without regard to station, gender, or ethnicity are included, This was the mystery - the church.

Sorry, no.

The great “unveiling,” that great rending of the curtain, was not disclosing of the gospel, for the blood of substitution had long been presented as the promised messiah, but the availability of that gospel to all, the forming of the body of believers, the assembly, the church that was hidden.

No, Agedman, the blood of substitution was not presented as the Promised Messiah, it was merely a figure.

What you are doing here is equating the shadow with the reality, and that is heresy.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

OK that sounds good

That is about the one of the saddest statements I have ever witnessed.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

No, I mean they claim our natures had to be changed in order to be made alive. Now this one is claiming it is the same nature that causes sin. Can't have it both ways.

Regenerational Enlightenment is indeed a false doctrine, but, we are, until we are redeemed from fallen flesh, still susceptible to sin.

So where does scripture delineate these two natures?

The only two natures we have are the human nature, which is natural, and the nature of God when we are immersed into God. We are still human, and retain our human nature, but, we are new creatures and not...only human.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

KJV John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

What is this relevant to?


God bless.

 

[HankD]

We don't "think" of mysteries, they are either presented in Scripture as mysteries or they aren't.

That's strange because I "thought" it was.

And this is not a mystery, it is simply an aspect of The Mystery. And you are not very clear in the statement, it could be taken to mean that Christ offered up His blood (His death) in the earthly Tabernacle, rather than the Holiest of All as taught by the Writer of Hebrews, which was Heaven itself.

It hadn't been revealed (Pre the Incarnation - which also had not been revealed) that our high priest would rent the veil into the Holy of Holies and offer His own blood as an atonement for our sins

That is about the one of the saddest statements I have ever witnessed.

Sorry you are so sad. Buy a puppy.

 

[HankD]

What is this relevant to?


God bless.

There are more mysteries. They are not yet revealed.

 

[Darrell C]

That's strange because I "thought" it was.

Right, you "thought of it."

Show me in the text where it is said to be a mystery and I will apologize.

Sorry you are so sad. Buy a puppy.

You misunderstand: I said it was sad, I didn't say I was sad, lol.

There are more mysteries. They are not yet revealed.

Not sure I would call the works of Christ a mystery, particularly since John claims to have a knowledge of them.




God bless.

 

[HankD]

Right, you "thought of it."

Show me in the text where it is said to be a mystery and I will apologize.

Well, I can't - it's a mystery.
Was that a criteria, that the text must say it is a mystery or that it was previously not revealed?

You misunderstand: I said it was sad, I didn't say I was sad, lol.

Oh OK my bad.

Not sure I would call the works of Christ a mystery, particularly since John claims to have a knowledge of them.

This is true BUT, we don't.

 

[Revmitchell]

The nature that he was born with....

Nope according to Calvinists that nature was changed by God so that man could be saved.

 

[Van]

The denial of scripture is the hallmark of false doctrine.
We were made sinners. To deny it is to deny scripture.
Those God transfers into Christ are made righteous in a practicable sense.
By the numbers:
1) The gospel of Christ was mentioned in the Old Testament, but not presented clearly, thus the gospel of Christ had been a mystery within the Old Testament.
2) But in the New Testament, the Gospel of Christ was presented clearly, and is no longer a mystery to those who accept what scripture says rather than rewrite it according to some man-made doctrine.
3) Part of the Gospel is we were chosen for salvation through faith in the truth. (John 3:16)
4) Part of the Gospel is we were made righteous through the blood of Christ
5) Part of the Gospel is Christ died for all mankind, a truth partially revealed in the Old Testament.

 

[Revmitchell]

You can tell me after you actually understand the Mystery of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I can only assume that it is.





Not a Boom! lol, more like a dud.

Let's look at your limited proof-texting a little closer:


Ephesians 3
King James Version (KJV)

1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:


Don't feel bad, you are among the majority who also limit the Mystery to Gentile Inclusion, despite the fact that he makes a very simple statement, that the Mystery of Christ was not made known in other Ages to the sons of men, which, by the way...speaks of all men. Secondly, it is now revealed to His holy Apostles and Prophets.

You have got your work cut out for you. Its going to be very difficult for you to convince anyone that you are right and Paul is mistaken.


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You just proved my point

 

[Darrell C]

Well, I can't - it's a mystery.
Was that a criteria, that the text must say it is a mystery or that it was previously not revealed?

I view the mysteries Paul teaches as identified as such, yes.

This is true BUT, we don't.

lol...true.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

You just proved my point

Not sure you could actually say you had a point. You were wrong in pretty much everything you said.


God bless.

 

[Revmitchell]

Not sure you could actually say you had a point. You were wrong in pretty much everything you said.


God bless.

Not only was I completely right but you are completely unorthodox bordering on heresy.

 

[Darrell C]

Not only was I completely right but you are completely unorthodox bordering on heresy.

Could you point out one thing you were right about?


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Not only was I completely right but you are completely unorthodox bordering on heresy.

And could you point out what is unorthodox, bordering on heresy? Be glad to show why Scripture teaches what I have already said...again.


God bless.

 

[agedman]

Not only was I completely right but you are completely unorthodox bordering on heresy.

Rev.
You and I agree.

The gospel was not hidden.

What was hidden and specified in the Scriptures as hidden was the gentile inclusion. That is, that there is this item called the church.

Never mentioned, not prophecied, and yet revealed by the Christ first to the apostles, as in the statement, "I will build my church." Even then it took a special revelation from God to bring Peter to actually endorse gentile believers, and James to let Jews know the gentles were not subject to Israeli ritual and sociatal law demands.

Had the gospel been hidden, there would have been no salvation of OT folks, yet there certainly was, for the mount of transfiguration displays two of the ancients with the Christ.