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The Difference Between Sola Scriptura And Biblicism (R. Scott Clark)

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by thatbrian, Mar 19, 2018.

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  1. thatbrian

    thatbrian Well-Known Member
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    Hank is a very likable guy, and he's sharp. That said, I can't think of a single engagement with him that ends up any differently than your experience. It would be more pleasurable to bang my head against a brick wall, than continue some "discussions" with him, so, point taken.

    I do want to get into matters that are challenging and might cause a mutual stretching and expanding of ideas, all while staying well within Reformed, Conservative, Evangelical, and of course, biblical ideas.

    Some topics, like this one are such sacred cows that most can't even discuss them without getting overly emotional and belligerent, and I certainly understand that as I can get that way when discussing politics; however, I am consciously trying to take a different approach in my online debating. I'll PM you later regarding that.
     
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    Do Christians have different gifts? Is there a variety of gifts distributed by God in the Church?
     
    #42 thatbrian, Mar 20, 2018
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    Sorry, but I see no scriptural evidence for the "catholic" or "universal" church.
     
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    No. If you are talking about the spiritual gifts of Romans and 1 Corinthians, they died out around 100 AD.
     
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    Yes. This hits upon what the heart of my intention in bringing up the subject was. Th above thinking (which I know is not yours) is completely backwards. Our personal interpretation is subject to the teaching of the Church. We may only veer from the teaching of the Church when the Church departs from the clear teaching of scripture.
     
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    I'm going to jump in on this thread without much regard for previous posts. IOW, I don't intend to debate specific posts. I intend only to state my observation. So, get your feet tucked back under your pew so I won't step on them.

    The literal-historical-grammatical school of interpretation places limits on a preacher. I would make bold as to state the limits are sufficient enough to minimize his ability to put forth an idiosyncratic interpretation.
     
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    So you are saying here that we could not read into the Bible wild allegorical/symbolic meanings, not unless the scriptures themselves allow for that interpretation?
     
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    Thanks, but do you think it's realistic and fair to "jump in" yet not be willing to debate specific posts? Are you saying, I want to comment but not debate? If so, isn't that a lecture, not an exchange of ideas among brethren?

    It seems to me that Biblicism, like Marxism, assumes the that only those in authority are capable of evil, while the Proletariat has pure motives, always.

    Should not limits be placed on all men?
     
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    What, did you somehow miss the letters St. Paul wrote instructing other Christians how they should be practicing the faith? There was once indeed One Universal Christian Church (see the Early Church Fathers) that every believer belonged to and it had an ordained hierarchy of leaders from the Apostles on down who instructed the faithful in the truth.. It was never a "come up with your own" conclusions kind of thing.
     
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    Yes but some take issue with the gifts, which were pre-canon, which universal.
     
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    I'm asking your opinion. Do you have one?
     
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    Of course, you do not. Let this be a lesson to all those who lump Calvinists together. While @TCassidy may have particular redemption in common, we differ on other things. We do not share the same ecclesiology when it comes to the universal church and the visible/invisible church distinction.
     
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    Could you give two examples of what you mean to clarify your tweet?
     
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    Most non-Cals I talk with seem to exclusively refer to the Church universal, and ignore the reality that churches had names, and those names where after the cities and villages they were in.

    I assume you hold to a both/and view on this subject. Am I right?
     
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    Yes, I do consider it fair. As I am jumping in at post #46, I think it would be too convoluted for me to try and deal with specific posts. It also means I'm dealing with ideas and not personalities.
     
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    Care to address the second half of my statement?
     
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    I do, and it is this one:

    Revelation 13:8 KJB - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.​
     
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    Do you mean this?
    It plays to the anti-intellectual bent of many of the brethren. Mind you, this philosophy has been present in the US since the early 1800s.
     
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    My opinions on that subject are all over BB. Knowing that, would you say that I am an anti-intellectual?
     
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    The it in my reply referred to what you are referring to as Biblicism. Why are you asking me to potentially step on your feet?
     
    #60 Squire Robertsson, Mar 20, 2018
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