Saturday is the 7th day - the Bible Sabbath

The Sunday service was started by the Apostles....

And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. - Acts 20:7

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. - 1 Corinthians 16:2

 

Sunday is NOT the Sabbath Day, but the Lord's Day

 

Short response [really, I have several pages of documentation on these]:

Actually, as you carefully read each text, Acts 20:7 is at night, amidst Paul meeting with believers during a point between going from city to city, and does have a special event take place therein [and more detail of the Sanctuary and the third loft, and the Most Holy Place, but that is not to be detailed here at this time, neither the message therein for the Elders and Youngers]. There is no mention of a weekly event here in any part of Acts 20 KJB. There is no mention of meeting during the daytime, at all. Paul was preaching from basically sundown to midnight, and then late into the night. Acts, written by Luke [a Gentile, who always has the proper designation and respect for God's Holy Day, the 7th Day, the Sabbath of the LORD his God], never states that the 'first day of the week', is anything other than a numbered day towards the Sabbath, even as the Koine Greek shows:

"And upon the first day of the week" = [Koine Greek GNT TR] "εν δε τη μια των σαββατων"

Not a single Christian these days that I have ever met, actually follow the this specific example in its details. For instance, most Christians do not meet at sundown [on what would be called Saturday night], do not have preaching services from sundown to midnight, with a meal inbetween with more preaching afterwards, with a miraculous event taking place in the midst, and so on. Many claim this supports their practice for 'Sunday' worship, but when the details are looked at, they do not actually follow the prescription in the text to the letter. As kindly as possible, that is hypocrisy.

Notice that the Sabbath is still and always the specially named and holy designated culminatin of the week, God's rest, in every single case, where the Bible says "first day of the week", basically saying, "first/one towards the Sabbaths", since the 6 work days were always between Sabbaths, the most important day. It is the only named day of the week, in all of the OT and NT, and all the others are simply numbered common working days.

In fact, if a person reads Acts 2:6, ask the question, "Why did Paul stay "seven days"?" It is because, like all gatherings in the book of Acts, the Jews and Gentile believers gathered on the Holy 7th Day the Sabbath at the synagogues, Temple, nature, etc to read the word of God, etc, and Paul, like Jesus, would keep the Sabbath holy and proclaim the healing Gospel as it is in Jesus Christ, telling them to behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sins of the world.

Even today, after the Sabbath service, I and others hang around to delve into the Bible more, to discuss and pray and study with one another long after the sun has gone down. Just did that this weekend with a whole room full of people, as the Holy Ghost used me to teach on who Israel is.

In 1 Corinthians 16 KJB, again, the term "Upon the first day of the week", is again, in the Koine Greek, "κατα μιαν σαββατων", which basically means "one towards sabbaths", which thus simply designates the first day of the week as a mere common number, with the holy 7th Day the Sabbath still being the culmination of the work week as God's rest.

As brother BobRyan has stated, the gatherings were to be on a personal level, in a private way, thus saved up at home, "... let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.", and when Paul came to be given at once, as he was passing through town. Also, it doesn't say that money was the key item, but could have included food, clothing, etc to meet the needs of those in the dearth situation.

It is a personal matter as a love offering saved up at home, as God prospered, to be collected all at once when Paul suddenly arrived, for the saints in Jerusalem, during the famine, etc. There is no command here to do this forever, and it was for a specific people group, in a specific location during a specific time. There are whole greedy 'ministries' [I use that term loosely] that abuse this passage to say that you need to send money to help the Israeli's, Palestinians, in that war-torn and desolate area, where is that earthly and carnal Jerusalem.

Every single 'first day' text in scripture is evidence that the holy 7th Day the Sabbath is permanent, still existant in the NT, as the culmination of the common work days, as the LORD's rest. Everytime someone brings these up, it is evidence against their 'sunday' sacredness ideology and proof of the sacredness and eternal nature of the Sabbath in the New [Everlasting] Covenant.

PS. also in Acts 2:46, 5:42, the Christians [as I and others do], as did the Jews before them, meet on many days of the week [prayer meeting, bible study, fellowship, ministry, etc], but none of that negates the sacredness of the Sabbath, nor is it negation of the Commandment of God to keep it holy, and to cease from work therein.

 

do you ask so as to learn the truth from the Bible, or for argument? I have already been through with you on this on another thread, which got no where, as you simply ignored what I showed from the Bible, and early Church history.

 

Can you show me a single scripture [KJB] that says so? It must be clear please.

 

Look at John 20:19, (and the other Gospels), "hen the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you"; and then, verse 26, "And after eight days again his disciples were inside, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.", where, After eight days (meth' hêmeras oktô). That is the next Sunday evening, on the eighth day in reality just like "after three days" and "on the third day.. Then look at Acts 20:27, ""And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight,". 1 Corinthians 6:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come,". Rev. 1:10-11, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea,"

First Day=Sunday, because the Lord Jesus Christ was Raised from the dead, the devil defeated, death was forever conquered, and there was real hope for the whole human race. And all because of the RESURRECTION of the Great Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ!!!

Then, in Acts 2:1, we have the Birth of the Church and giving of the Holy Spirit, which is known as "Pentecost", which is from the Greek, "pentēkostē", which means "fiftieth day".

Thursday, 14th day of the month Nisan, Christ institutes the Holy Eucharist.
Friday, 15th day of Nisan, He is crucified.
Saturday, 16th day of Nisan, He rests in the grave.
Sunday, 17th day of Nisan, He rises from the dead.
From the end of Saturday the 16th day of Nisan forty-nine days are counted, and fiftieth, or feast of Pentecost, falls on a Sunday.

God chose SUNDAY, not any other, for the giving of the Holy Spirit, and the Birth of the Church. This, together with the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ, is CELEBRATION time!

 

There is nothing different about a sabbath in nature-- same weather, same likelihood of storms or earthquakes in spite of emergency personnel by your ideal would refuse to respond. Before we end up with astronauts orbitting the earth and having to remove hands from all controls on every seventh orbit (setting of sun), it's in order to say Nature gives no evidence of anything different about a sabbath day. None.

 

I had asked for a specific text, even just one, from scripture [KJB] which clearly states that 'Sunday' [or even, the "first day of the week"] is ever called/designated "the Lord's day". I did not see any evidence that you provided such a text. What I did see was a jumbled collection of texts, some unrelated in immediate context from one another, all read into with apriori to prove the already stated with false conclusion. That is not Bible [KJB] study.

Let's look at each.

[1] John 20:19 KJB, states that the disciples were "... when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews ...", demonstrates not some sacred event, nor even designation of this day as "the Lord's day", but rather a lack of faith in what Jesus told them, and they had assembled together in fear behind closed doors in a house, because of what might happen to them now that their Head was removed.

[2] The phrase "first day of the week", in the Koine Greek [since you seem to love to do this, and I doubt very much that you can even read it, if I were to test you on it with an ancient mss], actually reads "μια των σαββατων", meaning "one towards sabbaths". It does not in any way read, "η κυριακη ημερα", "the Lord's day".

Thus this text fails the required evidence that was asked for.
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[3] Of course the disciples met together after the death of Jesus, and gather together for the sabbath in which Jesus was buried [Luke 23:44,46 KJB], for they were all they had, having left family, friends, jobs, etc behind. The apostles would still be together following the sabbath, since it would be nighttime when the sabbath of the Lord Jesus, closed out, and the next day began with the dark/night portion.

[4] Additionally John 20:19 KJB, needs to be carefully paralleled to Luke 24:21-36 KJB. For studying both carefully, you will see something interesting in regards the actual time.​

Again, this text also fails the requested evidence, for it does the same things as the last 'proof':

[1] nowhere does it state that the 'first day of the week' is called/designted as "the Lord's day"

[2] If you carefully peruse John 20:19, with Luke 24:21-36, and now this text, along with its "after eight days", may not mean necessarily what you think it means, but if I simply gave the position away and stated that it does mean the first day of the week [which it could mean], it follows the same pattern as the first, since they would keep sabbath according to the commandment, and still be together when the sun went down, so passing into the next day at evening. The text does not say that the meeting was during the day time, though the previous reference in John 20:19, Luke 24:21-36 KJB, it was at night.

[3] you seem to be arguing along the lines of the paganistic "ogdoad", even as Roman Catholicism does.

[4] please keep in mind, that in John 20:19, the phrase was "μια των σαββατων", and thus would be used again to designate this day also if we accept it as a 'first day of the week" text. The 7th day the Sabbath of the Lord Jesus is still the culmination of the week, and the other days are just common numbered days.​

This was already addressed prevously here - Saturday is the 7th day - the Bible Sabbath

Please read it.

As for the "breaking of bread", this was done every day they gathered together:

Acts 2:46 KJB - And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,​

Nothing special about it, breaking of bread, a fellowship meal, "κλασαι αρτον" [Acts 20:7 GNT TR], "κλωντες τε κατ οικον αρτον" [Acts 2:46 GNT TR, and in Acts 2:46, it defines this breaking bread, as eating of "τροφης", rations, what they had on hand, food [bread, honey comb], meat [fish, etc], etc]. Done every day, including on the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, as it is written, "daily", and "breaking bread from house to house".

Do you follow this pattern from house to house and daily, with whatever is on hand to eat?

This text also fails the requested evidence, as nowhere does it state that the 'first day of the week' is called/designted as "the Lord's day".

This was already addressed prevously here - Saturday is the 7th day - the Bible Sabbath

Please read it.

This text also fails the requested evidence, as nowhere does it state that the 'first day of the week' is called/designted as "the Lord's day".

This text is the only text in all of scripture [KJB], which reads specifically, "the Lord's day", "η κυριακη ημερα". Everyone who reads into [eisegetically] this text that it refers to 'the first day of the week', or 'Sunday', have only their apriori to go on, or, corrupted and misued statements by so-called church fathers years after this, read backwards into the text, all of which is invalid [Isaiah 8:20, 28:10 KJB], etc.

It actually refers to the 7th day the Sabbath, if one peruses other places from scripture, such as Isaiah 58:13, "my holy day", while the so-called LXX there reads, "τῶν σαββάτων τοῦ μὴ ποιεῖν τὰ θελήματά σου ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἁγίᾳ", Exodus 20:8-11, "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD", and the so-called LXX again reads, "ῇ δὲ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἑβδόμῃ σάββατα κυρίῳ τῷ θεῷ σου·", and in Matthew 12:8 KJB, "the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day", and Mark 2:28 KJB, "the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath", and Luke 6:5 KJB, "he Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath", and this time the Mark 2:28 & Luke 6:5 GNT TR, reading similarly, "κυριος εστιν ο υιος του ανθρωπου και του σαββατου", with Matthew 12:28 GNT TR, reading, "κυριος γαρ εστιν και του σαββατου ο υιος του ανθρωπου"

According to scripture, which then is "the [τῇ] Lord's [κυρίῳ] day [ἡμέρᾳ]"? It is the 7th day the Sabbath of the Lord [ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἑβδόμῃ σάββατα κυρίῳ]

Why? John, a prophet of God, must obey the commandments of God, in order to receive visions:

Proverbs 29:18 KJB - Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.​

Thus John received the vision on the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD, which shown him the greater "Day of the LORD", the final events leading into the 7,000 Year, the Sabbath of rest in Heaven, see Revelation 20, 2 Peter 3:8; Psalms 90:4, etc.

"the Lord's day" is the weekly Sabbath, the 7th day.
"the Day of the LORD" is the cosmic Sabbath of God, the final 1,000 years, or the 7th 1,000th year.

As for the so-called church fathers quotations, thy are grossly abused just as the scriptures are - Sunday Fraud: Church "Fathers" on the Lord's Day

 

Not really, since this is a technical point which I must point out, since 'Sunday' is Roman time [midnight to midnight], not God's creation time [evening followed by morning to evening], thus the scripture [KJB] always designates the "first day of the week", as simply a number in relation to the culmination of the week, God's rest, the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God. To rename the day, then takes away from this fact, and loses the connection to the 7th Day. The first day is nothing in and of itself without the 7th Day the Sabbath. To rename the first day to 'Sunday' disconnects that, just as the devil wanted, and even glorifies a part of creation, over the Creator, of which the 7th Day the Sabbath points to His glory, His work, His rest, as Creator. Sunday is pagan, Sabbath is of the LORD God, JEHOVAH Elohiym.

All necessary, but none of that negates, abrogates, alters, etc the explicit commandment, Exodus 20:8-11 KJB, neither does it remove/alter, etc the Holiness of the time specified and esteemed by God, in His rest.

The devil had been defeated at the Cross, the 6th Day of the week [Revelation 10:10-11; Romans 5:6 KJB, etc]. The 'Lord's supper' was on Thursday night. The Lord Jesus lay resting in the Tomb on His Sabbath. Jesus did many wonderful things on many days of the week before and after his resurrection [John 21:25 KJB].

What of these?

Indeed, 50th day, since it takes in a whole period of time, including 7 Sabbaths.

Did you catch that? 7 Sabbaths, which are still the culmination of the week, and the Lord's rest, were to specifically be celebrated after the resurrection, while Jesus was still around on earth for 40 more days, meeting with them on numerous days, including on the day when He ascended from the Mt. of Olives, which was not a 'first day of the week" [think about it, 10 days before the 50th day, cannot be a first day of the week, no matter the calculation if we accept the 50th day as first day of the week].

That Pentecost in that year landed on the first day of the week, I have no issue with, since it was to be a day in which Jesus began the work in the church, by the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Psalms 133:1-3; Revelation 5:6 KJB.

Did you just say "the Holy Eucharist"? Bro., I smell a closet Roman Catholic masquerading as a "baptist". By the way, that 'Lord's supper' was on Thursday night. Why do you celebrate such a thing on a weekly sunday?

Also your timeline is off. The 6th Day was the 14th [the passover, Jesus dies], the 15th the day of unleavened bread [Sabbath, Jesus in the Tomb], the 16th the wavesheaf [resurrection], all according to Leviticus 23. See the following:

Saturday is the 7th day - the Bible Sabbath

Daniel & The Revelation [KJB] - structural Foundation - Ps. 77:13 KJB

Judgment of God in Dan 7 and Romans 2

[this one is broken, they changed forum rules in regards strikethrough, but still readable] - 3 Days & 3 Nights; & the Last Week of Jesus, Trials, Crucifixion, Death, Burial, Res.

There is no issue with Pentecost, nor the Resurrection, both of which were following the numerical counting in the Feasts of Leviticus 23, but please notice that in those, there still remains the Sabbaths of God, especially in Pentecostal counting, all of which are after the resurrection.

All of the days, the 'Lord's supper', the 'crucifixion', the resurrection and Pentecost are a single day in the year, not weekly time, by any means. The 7th day the Sabbath of the Lord Jesus thy God, is weekly, even from Genesis 1. Why do you set aside the commandment of God, to keep your tradition?

You have not provided a single clear text from scripture [KJB] that states that the "first day of the week" is "the Lord's day", nor have you demonstrated that the "first day of the week" was ever called by anything else, other than, first day towards the sabbath, or culmination of the week.

 

"the Holy Eucharist", I have quoted this from someone else' calculation where the term is used

 

are you a Seventh Day Adventist?

 

Circa-Septan Rhythm, found all throughout 'nature' - Circaseptan - Wikipedia

Circaseptan (about-7-day) bioperiodicity--spontaneous and reactive--and the search for pacemakers. - PubMed - NCBI

http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/plantphysiol/84/3/707.full.pdf

"... “Franz Halberg proposes that body rhythms of about seven days, far from being passively driven by the social cycle of the calendar week, are innate, autonomous, and perhaps the reason why the calendar week arose in the first place… These circaseptan, or about weekly, rhythms are one of the major surprises turned up by modern chronobiology. Fifteen years ago, few scientists would have expected that seven day biological cycles would prove to be so widespread and so long established in the living world. ... and are thought to be present even in bacteria ....” - Jeremy Campbell, Winston Churchill’s Afternoon Nap, (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1986), pp. 75-79.​

Acknowledged in the medical dictionary - circaseptan rhythm
Acknowledged in psychological dictionary - Circaseptan rhythm - Oxford Reference

An interesting study - The Amazing 7

 

Yep, I was asked that before, and stated I was clearly and without obfuscation. I joined before the forums changed over, and it used to be listed as an option, and was openly displayed under the user. If they decide to list that as an option again, I would gladly wear it publically.

 

Then in charity [1 Corinthians 13 KJB], I would caution you to be very careful about where you quote from, as whoever wrote that, is Catholic, and thus they argue not from scripture [KJB] but from their apriori and tradition.

 

Explains your opposition to Sunday as the NT day for Christians to worship instead of the Jewish Sabbath day, Saturday. As you are SDA, do you follow EGW when she says that Sunday worshipers will receive the "mark of the beast" in Revelation, and therefore be eternally damned?

The Seal of God and the Mark of the Beast
Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. Isa. 8:16.

The living righteous will receive the seal of God prior to the close of probation.

The sign, or seal, of God is revealed in the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath, the Lord's memorial of creation. . . . The mark of the beast is the opposite of this--the observance of the first day of the week.

Sunday keeping is not yet the mark of the beast, and will not be until the decree goes forth causing men to worship this idol Sabbath. The time will come when this day will be the test, but that time has not come yet.

No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit Sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast.

If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false Sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls "my holy day," you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.

In a little while every one who is a child of God will have His seal placed upon him. O that it may be placed upon our foreheads! Who can endure the thought of being passed by when the angel goes forth to seal the servants of God in their foreheads?

Ellen G. White Estate: Daily Devotional - Maranatha

 

not a big deal to me as I don't except that part, only the actual dates

 

check out #38