Once Saved - once lost ???

Why did he find it to be unto death, keep quoting. The Commandments are life, yet Paul dies, why? Keep quoting.

 

One has to believe unto regeneration. James makes it clear that one can not just say they believe and be saved.

Scripture says nothing about justification here. good woks are very profitable unto men, but not unto justification.

 

Then your original point is moot. Christ is the propitiation for all sins past and future for those who become children of God.

 

I did not say "unto justification". I clearly wrote, "In justification".

 

It is clear that this whole back and forth is not about salvation, but your hatred and enmity against God's holy, just and good [even Eternal Law of Righteousness and Life [not the "law of sin and death"]:

Romans 8:7 KJB - Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.​

It is easier therefore to self-define yourself the never to be lost no matter what you do. Self-deception is the worse kind of blindess.

I pray you might see one day - even soon. With God all things are possible.

 

The salvation basis for God has been the same in either OT/NT, and so the security afforded to us as described in Romans 8, as God will complete unto final glorification all now saved in Christ Jesus!

 

the law was NEVER given as a means by which a sinner was saved, but as showing to them that they must trust in a Messiah to save them from their sins!

 

We are saved by Faith alone grace alone, and once saved, the law of God shows us what the Lord requires of us, but we still MUST rely upon the Holy Spirit in order to live as we now ought!

 

Who ever said it did or was, certianly not I ~ ever. Go look through all the posts I have ever written on this board, you will not find such an example, and neither in brother BobRyans materials.

Indeed. What is this defintion of "sin/s" that Jesus is to save us from?

 

I fully agree [grace comes before faith in Ephesians, so I fixed that, and salvation does come in a moment, but continues from faith to faith, glory to glory, supposed to be an increasing light, obdience, and further and further from sin, closer and closer to God]. Obedience can only come by the Holy Ghost, the Spirit, since the Law of God is spiritual, even written by the Holy Ghost [the Finger of God].

 

Both you and BOB though have a salvation that mixes trusting in jesus and also keeping the law, which is another Gospel!

 

There will never be a sinless perfected state person here, and there will never ever be a truly saved person ever lose eternal life!

 

No, we are saying, as does scripture, that trusting in Jesus [the grace through faith], brings us to keep His Law [the fruit of obedience, His working out salvation in us], John 14:15; Exodus 20:6 KJB.

 

You actually elevate keeping the law as a means of grace itself, for if one turns away from sabbath keeping,and denies EW was a prophetess, can be lost!

 

How do you reconcile that statement with the following texts:

Revelation 12:17 KJB - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 KJB - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14 KJB - Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.​

Those people are still on earth, before Jesus comes, and during the mark of the beast and seal of God period of time.

Jesus is in the Most Holy Place, the place of the Sanctuary, known for Glorification. Jesus is about to remove His priestly garments and put on His kingly garments, for Glorification will have taken place in the heart of those persons, and once that is done, He can come, and change the outward.

Glorification of mankind takes place on earth, before they are taken to Heaven:

Philippians 3:21 KJB - Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

1 Corinthians 15:51 KJB - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1 Corinthians 15:52 KJB - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:53 KJB - For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1 Corinthians 15:54 KJB - So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.​

Do you believe these texts?:

Jude 1:24 KJB - Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

2 Peter 1:10 KJB - Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:​

It is a matter of faith. What you beleive will determine your outcome, whether you obtain, or fail of it.

I agree with the "truly" aspect, but I, and scripture [KJB] are not speaking of the final group [who are the "truly"], but rather I and scripture [KJB], are speaking about the group of believers now present. The possibility of turning from salvation/belief, exists among that group before the end.

 

How many and how much of the Commandments being kept qualifies us to be able to keep salvation though? Your religion has the answer, in breaking the Sabbath causes one to lose salvation!Per Ellen White herself! That would mean one received the mark of the Beast...

 

Not in a single response have I ever said, hinted, intimated, implied, suggested, avered, affirmed, asserted, or wrote or even thought such a thing. Demonstrate otherwise with documentation, and I'll repent right here.

Only through rejecting knowledge/light, as in any other matter, not just those two mentioned. For rejecting light, the only thing left is darkness. As for the Sabbath, the prophecies speak about the mark of the beast, which involves religio-state law, which is not enforced yet. Read Daniel 3 and 6 KJB. There will be such a test, read Revelation 3:10, 17:12 KJB, that comes upon the whole world. Of course, to accept man's worship [really satan's worship] in the place of God's worship, even if through fear of loss and death, a person will be lost. How could it not be otherwise? All will be under wrath, all will be under a death penalty, either the Dragon's or God's.

 

What is a command of God, but a commandment of God?

Murders, adulterers, thieves, covetous, and liars, etc will never enter in:

Revelation 22:15 KJB - For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.​

Right? But what does scripture say who is a "liar"?

1 John 2:4 KJB - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

"... love me and keep my commandments" - John 14:15; Exodus 20:6 KJB.​

John what commandments are you talking about?

1 John 2:7 KJB - Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
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Do you realize that anyone in breaking God's Sabbath and disregarding His explicit command, they have broken all the commandments?

1. Placing another as 'god" before God, for they acknowledge another and obey them
2. They have an idol, either of self, or another, they serve another, rather than the Creator [the LORD of the 7th Day]
3. They have taken God's name in vain, for they do not have His character [which the Law is a transcript of]
4. They have not rested, but worked, not believed but doubted
5. They dishonoured their Father in Heaven [Isaiah 58:13 KJB], and their Mother [Galatians 4:26 KJB]
6. They have murdered themselves, not resting, but continuing to work
7. They have commited adultery having left subjection to God, for another's will
8. They have stolen themselves from God, and thieved the time that belonged to Him, living as they pleased
9. They have born false witness in the world as to who God is, what His character is like
10. They have coveted their own ideas, plans and time rather than God's will.
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Why is that commandment not important? It has the word Holy in it, the Holy Commandment [2 Peter 2:21 LKJB]. It has God's actual name YHVH in it, describing His authority, position and kingdom.

The Sabbath commandment, a promise as are all the others, describes the moral aspect of God's character:

1. God is relational, God to man, and man to man, an at-one-ing God.
2. God is purposeful, God gives purpose, of work and rest.
3. God is Creator and Redeemer, and concerns Himself in love to that which is created, thus He is Life
4. God is an Author and Finisher, Alpha and Omega, Beginning and the ending, First and the last
5. God is Holy, and the Sanctifier and the one who Blesses
6. God is above nature, greater than creation
7. God is the example for all creation, in that He worked and in that He rested
8. God is selfless, being the giver, for it was given as a gift
9. God is logical, mathematical, orderly, consistent, star systems, planets, orbits, days, years, cycles, etc
10. God is no respecter of persons
11. God is worthy to be worshipped, loved, etc
12. God is the owner and sustainer
13. God is all about family, cohesive love
14. God is intelligent and wise, thus "remember" [a word, re-member, to bring back together as one]
15. God is fore-thinking
etc.​

 

You agree that a Christian MUST keep the Sabbath, and to keep Dietary rules, and to believe in EW as inspired prophetess in addition to salvation in Christ, correct?
Where is your Investigative Judgement found in the new testament?