Featured Holy Communion - Wine or Grape Juice?

As you will, remain in your intoxicated stupor.

"... The accidents remain in their totality-for example, that which was wine and is now Christ's blood still has the smell of wine, the intoxicating power of wine. ..." [EWTN online; Frank J. Sheed; Taken from Theology for Beginners © 1981 by Frank J. Sheed, Chapter 18.] - Transubstantiation​

 

Fruit of the Vine.
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

 

LOL.

Wondering what Scripture only those who smoke pot can understand.

 

The Scriptures reference the Cup, not the libation.

What do you do with Romans 14:21? Deny your brother access to the Lord's table?

 

Scripture doesn't mention yeast. It mentions 'leaven' which is cultivated with flour and water, what we call today, sour dough. Used for making bread.

Wine is a different matter. Grape juice put into a skin will ferment and make wine, TC is not quite correct in his fast band slow ferment, Vinegar is caused by leaving wine exposed to the air and the vinegar fly gets access to it, which turns wine into vinegar, good wine or bad wine, Vinegar is from two French words, vin, wine. and aigre, bitter or sour.(Sweet and sour sauce is 'sauce aigre douce'.)

The only people in the scripture who were forbidden to take wine were Nazerites during the period of their vow. They were banned from drinking wine, or wine vinegar, or any flesh or juice of the grape, or any strong drink (beer) or any vinegar from strong drink. (malt vinegar).

 

No, the Cup is the New Testament in His blood.

And because of your legalism, a brother is denied the Cup.

 

Many years ago I used to make home made wine. We used a fermentation lock to keep out the vinegar fly which spreads the vinegar bacteria. Airborne bacteria and yeasts are not good for wine. The natural yeast (bloom) on a grape is the best for wine,

To make good vinegar from wine you use a vinegar mother, can be the sediment from the bottom of a vinegar bottle. I have never tried it as a good wine vinegar is cheaper than a cheap wine,

 

It was wine,

It wouldn't make sense if it said don't be addicted to much grape juice.

1Ti 3:8 Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain.

 

Beer used to be brewed in open vats. The froth on the beer used to be used to make bread. Old bread recipes mentioned 'pints of yeast' ie froth. (Slow dough, real bread, available on Amazon or kindle) Yeast was first commercially produced in Austria in the 1840's. Bread was also made from Trub, the sediment from beer, the lees. Mostly it would be made from sour dough, biblical leaven which is made from flour and water.

Wine is made using closed fermentation as wild yeasts can affect the wine as well as vinegar bacteria in the air, spread by the vinegar fly. In the bible the closed fermentation would be made using a wine skin which stretches as the wine ferments (which makes me think that biblical wine was fizzy) That is why you can't put new wine in old skins.

 

Most of Revelation.

 

First of all, after fermentation the yeast has died off, the sugars needed to feed the yeast are eaten away by the yeast. The alcohol which is left does not allow the yeast to remain. As for Passover unleavened bread is bread made on the spot in haste, wine is a process which requires time. Wine was a staple for the Hebrews and was made in advance and would have been stored once turned to wine, and would be on hand. Grape juice does not have a long shelf life, and when pressed and stored goes bad quickly and has to be used within a day or two at most once pressed or extracted. Christ used WINE at the Last supper not grape juice, my family makes wine and knows the shelf life of grape juice.Christ drank wine in his life:
Jesus Testifies about John Luke:733-35
…33For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ 34The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’ 35But wisdom is vindicated by all her children.”…

At the wedding feast at Canaan Christ turned water into wine not grape juice.
John2:8-11

8 Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”

They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

Why do you suppose Christ did this at the Wedding feast and last supper? This is the establishment of the Eucharist,
and is the table of the Lord, which we come to when we participate in and do in memory of Him.
Luke22:19
19And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.…

Christ is truly present in this sacrificial memorial, this must be approached in faith.
John 6:52-54
Jesus the Bread of Life
…52At this, the Jews began to argue among themselves, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” 53So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.…

Any one who denies Christ is truly present in this sacrament of faith, denies Christ's words. Now, the times are dark and will grow even darker, there will come a time when the sacrifice is completely abolished:

Michael's Deliverance and the End Times Daniel 12:12
…11"From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12"How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days! 13"But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age."…

We see glimpses of this happening with the Papal decree of 1994 which was made formal in1998 with the removal of the Tabernacle from off the altar. All modernist RCC's have conformed. Some traditionalist have not. This will happen in our life times:When the abomination which makes desolate comes about, the heretical followers will set up the abomination, in churches and synagogues =unity of all religions under one man as god . Christianity will be illegal, and any public practice of the sacrificial offering of the Body and Blood of Christ will be abolished:
a·bol·ish
əˈbäliSH/
verb
verb: abolish; 3rd person present: abolishes; past tense: abolished; past participle: abolished; gerund or present participle: abolishing
formally put an end to (a system, practice, or institution).What does this mean for the faithful of all denominations? You will eat bread in haste, in seclusion and hiding, like the first church and the first followers of Christ. All believers in faith know the Holy Spirit transforms the wine and bread. Priest and shepherds will not be around for many.The few that are against the Vatican will be helped by the Holy Spirit to persevere to the 1,335 days spoken in Daniel. So most of the faithful will have to preserve this sacrifice privately. The first Woe is at hand, World war and cosmic events. Pray! The revealing of the Man of Sin is upon us.

 

There is something called Communion Wine.

We once attended a church that used this. The lady who set the table once said "There is something swimming in this wine." It seems that after the service she had been pouring the beverage from the unused glasses back into the bottle and some bugs had bred in there.

 

Was he holding his body in his hand? If it meant his literal body how go you explain the body of Christ being the church?

 

Take it

Take it up with Christ! I know my family will celebrate what He established wherever we can. The Holy Spirit is present with His anointed. Whatever you experienced........ is -whatever. I know what Christ said, I believe and act. I can not answer as to other's actions or lack of reverence. As to His body in His hands, what did He say? You can read, comprehension??????? that is another thing. Site supporter ,are you a Christ supporter? 2+2=4 That is how easy it is to comprehend what the Lord said.
"DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME".

 

The papal man of sin was revealed centuries ago.