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The Function of the Law in the New Covenant

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1689Dave said:
Thanks for sharing. Most of my position comes from the Reformed camp. But some are not as locked into the creeds as others. But if God replaced the Old Covenant completely with the New, as Jeremiah says, none of the Old, including Sabbath & Circumcision made it into the New. And nowhere in the NT does it say so. Paul nearly died several times proving my point.
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The day of rest, a day set apart for the Lord is still in play, just not under Jewish Sabbath.
 
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JonShaff said:
Brother, they want to put a yoke upon God's people again. It's evident in their "fruit inspection" mentality. It's modern day Pharisaism.

The Law is Good and Holy, "If one Uses it Correctly."
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We are saved by Grace, and live by Grace, but still under duty to obey the Moral law of God in our behavior and deeds, correct?
 
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Dave,

And the point I am making, which seems to be lost by antinomians, is that the moral law predates the Decalogue because it traces its origin to the Garden. It alone is an eternal law because it is the divine knowledge of right and wrong and has been testified as such by the prophets, Christ, and the Apostles. The judicial and ceremonial aspects of the Law were done away with because they were fulfilled in Christ. However, "be holy as I am holy" is still commanded today and is epitomized by the moral law of God. No one is justified by keeping it (because they cannot keep it) but every man is accountable to it (Romans 1:20). I will not yield on this point because I cannot yield on it.
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What standard as god given to us to live by, other than His 10 Commandments? Obey God NOT in order to get/kept saved, but as being those whose delight in in His Word and desire to keep morally right!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
We are saved by Grace, and live by Grace, but still under duty to obey the Moral law of God in our behavior and deeds, correct?
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I'm not living my life saying to myself, "Don't bear false witness, don't covet, don't commit adultery, don't worship false gods, Don't dishonor God, etc." IF i fail to love God or my neighbor the way God's desires me to, my conscience will be pricked because the Holy Spirit tells me so. The law is a boundary, a restriction if you will, to prevent "Lawless-ness" or total abandonment to living out Christ through me. How do you Obey something in the negative? You obey God's Law to LOVE--which is actively living something out--NOT actively trying not to do something.
 
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1689Dave said:
The Law you speak of is the Two Great Commandments. The Ten Commandments hung from them at a level wicked people could relate to. The Two Great remain, the Ten do not. Love, not obligation and fear of material loss as with the Ten, determines good works in the NT.
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Obviously I disagree with you.

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Obviously I disagree with you.

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““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)
 
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Yeshua1 said:
The day of rest, a day set apart for the Lord is still in play, just not under Jewish Sabbath.
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I think it is optional since it is without mention in the rules for gentile converts in Acts 15:20. And Paul says: “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.” (Romans 14:5–6) (KJV 1900)

But Sunday was a work day, so the early church probably met after work in someone's house.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
NO Reformed or Baptist that posts here would place any Creed/Confession on same par as the Bible, as the scriptures Alone were inspired by God.
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If personal opinion rests on the same footing of any creed or tradition, we see a lot of this in all forums.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
We are still obligated to a day of rest though, even under the NC. correct?
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No. Paul says:

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.” (Romans 14:5–6) (KJV 1900)
 
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Yeshua1 said:
We are to set aside a Day unto the lord to worship, praise, listen to Him.
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Normally we do this. But not legalistically. Paul nearly lost his life several times removing the yoke of the Sabbath from believers in front of the unbelievers.
 
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1689Dave said:
Normally we do this. But not legalistically. Paul nearly lost his life several times removing the yoke of the Sabbath from believers in front of the unbelievers.
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Correct, its just that God still has that Day to come and assemble together to hear the scriptures, praise, and prayer made to Him.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
How can there be a higher moral standard than the law of God though?
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Hmmm...i'm not sure why you are not getting this? Maybe i'm not explaining well. Why are you hung up on the word MORAL? Where in Scripture does it talk about morals????? Maybe that is your hang up?
 
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