"The Prophecy of Israel"

Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross. Circumcision made one a physical Jew (religion) and a member of physical Israel.
God told Abraham "in Isaac" he would call his seed (singular) which is Christ according to Paul. This happened in Christ's birth.

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16) (KJV 1900)

 

MMRRPP! WRONG!

The Jews are a people descended from Jacob's sons Judah, Benjamin, & Levi. They're the only "visible" Israelis right now. The rest of the tribes of Israel exist, but neither we nor they know their true ID. But GOD does. All will be revealed in His time.

NO people have endured the attempts to exterminate them, nor the general persecution the Jews have undergone since Jesus was here, and still remained a distinct people. This is by GOD'S power. Their persecutions were part of their punishment prophesied on them by Jesus as "days of vengeance", plus their punishment for murdering Jesus & several of the apostles. this punishment culminated in the nazi holocaust.

Since then, God has lifted most of that punishment as He is beginning to build them up again as per His promises. They are now the world's "pound-for-pound" military champs. More unmistakable evidence of who they are is seen in the fulfillment of this prophecy:

Isaiah 19:17 17 The land of Judah will become a terror to Egypt; everyone to whom it is mentioned will be in dread of it, because of the purpose of the Lord of hosts which He is purposing against them.

I believe we all know that when any of the 6 million Jews in Israel rattles his Uzi, the 80 million Egyptians quake in their turbans, whether they'll admit it or not. Israel has kicked their butts several times & they don't want it again!

And the Jews have made Jerusalem their capital again. Much of the world griped about that, but no one made a serious attempt to stop them. And the USA's moving its embassy to Jerusalem is a huge step forward.

But Jerusalem is still trod underfoot by gentiles, as Jesus said in His olivet Discourse. There's an endless parade of gentiles to & from the Muslim holy sites and the Christian holy sites in Jerusalem, not to mention its many Palestinian & Arab residents.

We see the prophecies concerning Judah & Israel coming to pass right down the line. And don't forget that David's throne (rulership of Israelis by one of David's descendants) is still somewhere on earth! Jesus is still the nobleman in His parable about the nobleman who went on a lengthy journey to receive his kingdom. When He returns, He will physically take over that throne.

 

What you are saying is that bloodline determines who is a Jew. But this has nothing to do with God telling Abraham, "in Isaac your seed (singular) will be called." Who is Christ and Christ alone. It's a done deal. The promises had nothing to do with the physical seed beyond conditional temporal provisions, based on obedience, now abolished with the Law. And everything to do with the Spiritual seed who Is Christ and those who belong only to him.

Besides, if any having Isaac's DNA were not circumcised, they were cut off = a gentile. When Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross, he cut them all off - permanently.

Only those who accept Christ will God graft back into biblical Israel for the father's sakes (Romans 11).

 

Sir, there are prophecies for both Christians (spiritual Israel) & physical Israelis. Please read your Bible a little more-closely. After all, the names of the tribes of Israel will be on the New Jerusalem's foundation stones.

And Jesus DID NOT abolish one jot or tittle of the law. He FULFILLED all its sacrificial requirements by His own sacrifice. But all the law is still "on the boox".

You SHOULD be able to see by the fulfilled prophecies concerning the Jews that they are a physical, distinct people. 'Tis silly to say otherwise!

 

Jesus abolished the Old Covenant replacing it with the New. ““Indeed, a time is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I delivered them from Egypt. For they violated that covenant, even though I was like a faithful husband to them,” says the Lord.” (Jeremiah 31:31–32) (NET)

Also Hebrews: “For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.” (Hebrews 8:8–9) (KJV 1900)

So, No more Old Covenant (Ten Commandments). This means, even if the Jews wanted to repent to inherit the land, they cannot. The only repentance is in accepting Christ and being re-attached to biblical Israel the Church.

Also, circumcision, not blood, made one a physical member of Israel and a "Jew". Apart from circumcision they were cut off.

 

If we say that the Jews ceased as a group afetr AD 70, guess we have to hold to the crazy 10 lost tribes came to Britain and USA also!

 

That Covenant with the Jews was amde to every remnant Jew God saves each generation, and to all living when Jesus returns!

 

The unbelieving Jews ceased to exist as biblical Israel when Christ introduced the New Covenant. Only the believers remained as Israel under Christ.

The Law no longer serves its original function. So the unbelievers cannot repent and receive the material rewards, the land included. Their only path of repentance is to accept Christ as the Messiah, which some have done, and others might do for the father's sakes.

 

God has not foresaken his people, the Jews, has He?
Are you a Pretierist then?

 

God abolished the Law and Circumcision making physical Jewry and physical Israel a thing of the past. Those who accepted Christ remained Israel. Those who did not, followed Satan instead of Christ.

 

There are both physical and spiritual Jews, per Paul, so physical Jews are the physical desecendants, and spiritual ones are those that receive Yeshua as the Messiah!

 

Jesus is king of the Jews. He is not king of those who hate him and refuse to follow him. Paul says “But he is a Jew who is one inwardly. And circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, and not by the letter. His praise is not from men, but from God.” (Romans 2:29) (MEV)

 

Circumcision made one a physical Jew. Christ abolished circumcision on the cross. There are no valid physical Jews today. Only impostors.

 

That would be referring to saved jews, not Gentiles in that quote!

 

No, only that theology of yous regarding them is phony!

 

The Ten Commandments were the heart of the Old Covenant. Jeremiah and Hebrews say the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant. Circumcision made one a physical member of the Old Covenant. Christ abolished circumcision on the cross. Given this, how can what you say be true?

 

There are no biblical Jews apart from circumcision. They are all gentiles since the time Christ invalidated circumcision.

 

Paul stated that there were Jews at the time of His Epistles though, so was he wrong? Hitler tried to exterminate the jews in WW II, correct?

 

Think of the times in which Paul lived, wrote, and ministered. The Old Covenant being phased out. Many Jews rejecting the New Covenant, thinking it was a false religion. Not knowing the New Covenant had arrived as Jeremiah had foretold. New Covenant converts, (Jewish Christians by the thousands) who appeared as apostates and were being hunted down and killed.

Any Circumcised Jew up until the crucifixion remained a biblical Jew until that generation died out. But there was no means to produce any new members of physical Israel with circumcision gone, and the nation ended by 70 AD, in Jerusalem's destruction. Only those from among them who accepted Christ remained Israel under the New Covenant. It was this spiritual Israel from whom God removed the unbelievers and grafted believing gentiles into their place (Romans 11).

Consider Jewish history, some of which I posted earlier, taken from their resources. the Pharisees that escaped the destruction of 70 AD became today's Jews. And most of them are Eastern European converts to Judaism from the 12th century. But they exist because they officially rejected and hate Christ. The Jews who accepted Christ remained Israel (Abraham's seed). So today's physical Israel is not biblical Israel in any way. But a gentile state and religion calling itself Israel. And gentiles calling themselves Jews.

Jewish persecution followed. The Pharisees suffered as a body in over 100 nations since the first century. But as John says: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (John 3:36) (KJV 1900) And Paul adds: “Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost [end].” (1 Thessalonians 2:16) (KJV 1900)