How Wicked Were the People of Noah's Day? And Why No Detail?

It is just this simple, the scriptures support Enoch's writings and all should be tested by scripture for no one lay a foundation already laid, that is Jesus Christ. So if Enoch is directly quoted and his words are within the gospel that means the foundation supports his writings. It is that simple. Now tell me what does Enoch say against the foundation?

 

I Enoch 40:8-9

8. After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: 'Who are these four presences which I have seen and whose words I have heard and written down?'
9. And he said to me: 'This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.' And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.
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The context of this chapter is an introduction to four archangels - earlier described as four voices. Verse 7 describes the fourth voice as, "... the fourth voice fending off the Satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth." Verse 9 tells us his name is Phanuel and this archangels is "set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life."

Heresy!

• The Bible clearly states, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5 KJV) Not some mythical angel Phanuel - whose name appears in no other manuscript except for this one.
• Angels are created beings. The Bible clearly states,

John 1:1-3 KJV

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.​

• Angels are servants of God. The ones who claimed equal footing with God have their day coming!
• We are not saved on the basis of belief in a mythical creature but by the shed blood of Jesus Christ. There is no power outside the Godhead whereby man is brought to repentance and the hope of eternal life. There is no one else but Jesus.

Acts 4:10-12 KJV

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.​

The Book of Mormon says some nice religious-sounding things too. Do you accept that as equal as well?

 

Mediator meaning:
me·di·a·tor
ˈmēdēˌādər/
noun
noun: mediator; plural noun: mediators
a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement; a go-between.
"the government appointed a mediator to assist in finding a resolution to the dispute"
synonyms: arbitrator, arbiter, negotiator, conciliator, peacemaker, go-between, middleman, intermediary, moderator, intervenor, intercessor, broker, honest broker, liaison officer;
An angel is no mediator but does what is told to do by God.

Not one thing in your quotes says or implies they are mediators. A Cherub or Arch angel is a covering angel it is said of Lucifer before he lost his estate:
Ezekiel 28:14
14"You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
and is why two Cherubs were on the Ark of the OT. Angels have jobs they are to follow what the Word says- the Ancient of ancients. Was Enoch taken up by God ? Are not angels ministering:

The Supremacy of the Son Hebrews 1:13-14
…13And to which of the angels did God ever say: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet” ? 14Are not the angels ministering spirits, sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

There is not one thing in those verses you quoted which put angels above the Anointed One. They are covering angels because no one but the Son could look upon God, and they conveyed to Enoch what the Lord purposed for him to know. Just like Mother Mary.
Maybe it is not just the Mormons who cling to false spirits. Angels have their purpose in God , PERIOD. You proved nothing.
To be set over means to protect those who are repentant not as one who the repentance is given to, hence COVERING ANGEL.

 

There is only one covering angel spoken of in Scripture.

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. (Ezekiel 28:14 KJV)​

We know how that turned out. Or maybe you do not. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around your emphatic defense of a work that has been specifically excluded from the Canon of Scripture. Excluded to the extent rejected, showing no signs of God-breathed inspiration.

You said earlier that the editors of the KJV didn't have any manuscripts and they weren't uncovered until the 18th Century.

Your not authenticating the validity of Enoch. You are questioning the validity of the Canon of Scripture. You are either arrogant enough to think Enoch was hidden until wiser men came around or God was a bumbling fool who could not keep track of what He had said.

That is the same argument Joseph Smith used when he 'discovered' the golden plates. If you choose to hold fast to the words of Enoch at the expense of the accepted Canon than we are at an impasse. If there is no room for discussing the accepted Canon in your conversation then there no real reason to have one.

The London Baptist Confession of 1689 states, "The books commonly called Apocrypha, not being of divine inspiration, are no part of the canon or rule of the Scripture, and, therefore, are of no authority to the church of God, nor to be any otherwise approved or made use of than other human writings."

I reject your claim of the authenticity of Enoch and all it contains.

 

I do see a problem with false books, that which has been misinterpreted, I do not deny there are many erroneous books out there.
I have sought out to find that which is not false. I do not claim they are needed for salvation, but that which has been revealed in the Ethiopian bible does not contradict scripture. I am not suggesting you need to live by the books but they are a useful source of information. Regardless of what you or anyone thinks or says, you can not deny that these books speak to very relevant issues which we see happening today, this in many unheard of ways which an early Christian community would think crazy or science fiction. Today it is creepy how relevant these books are . I am addressing the OP that is all -defending Enoch and bringing to the forefront books ancient Hebrews read and Jews still do read.
The Book of Jasher (also, Jashar) or the Book of the Upright or the Book of the Just Man (Hebrew: סֵפֶר הַיׇּשׇׁר‬; transliteration: sēfer hayyāšār) is an unknown book mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.

It is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible and is within the Ethiopian Bible. The Ethiopian Bible has the oldest written scriptures on earth .
A Message to Ethiopia Isaiah 18:7
7At that time a gift of homage will be brought to the LORD of hosts From a people tall and smooth, Even from a people feared far and wide, A powerful and oppressive nation, Whose land the rivers divide-- To the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, even Mount Zion.

Zephaniah 3:10
"From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia My worshipers, My dispersed ones, Will bring My offerings.
Some Bibles are worded this way:
Zephaniah 3:10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter …
It is all the same. Ethiopia acquired the scriptures when Sheba was sent back to Ethiopia with them from Solomon. The suppliant
will bring My offerings.

 

Catholicism never teaches that the Book of Enoch is reliable. They classify it as a work of the Gnostics among the Jews before the time of Jesus. Yes, Gnosticism, which Catholicism calls a fungus, predates Christianity.

The original book of Enoch quoted briefly in Jude has been lost. It was evidently saved by Noah.

Enoch contradicts Scripture because God mentions violence as the cause of the flood.

No time for more detail until morning, but here is a link to the cultic Gnosticism from New Advent, the Catholic encyclopedia:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06592a.htm

 

I hear a lot of denominational ranting but no concrete proof that the Ethiopian Bible which contains Enoch' s writing's - that they are false. I guess all have read the Books of Enoch here, contained in their bible? You listen to men from Catholicism, and Protestant
sects, but I will bet none of you for sure knows . Talk to me about it when you Newbies have read his writings. And tell the Christian Jews who have and are fluent in Hebrew they do not know what they read, when you yourselves can not read or speak Hebrew.

 

Are you a Gnostic?

 

Are the Ethiopian Orthodox?

 

You do not have to accept my claim, still makes no difference to your lack of proof his writings are false . Just a bunch of quoting of other men who they themselves have not disproved Enoch's works. I know all the jargon from denominations and all of them are in in lock step. Scripture is Canon and by that I test all apocrypha and any (what is called extra biblical text) by it. Quote dates all you want. As for covering angel, if Lucifer is the only one I guess you know nothing of Ezekiel's wheel.
A Cherub is a Cherub!
Ezekiel 10:9
Then I looked, and behold, four wheels beside the cherubim, one wheel beside each cherub; and the appearance of the wheels was like the gleam of a Tarshish stone.

News Flash.......more than one cherub mentioned in scripture. I am not here to force anyone to believe what they do not want. But if you are going to attempt to edify, know the Word. I would show where else in scripture there is mention of Cherubs, but that would be humiliating for you! So on that note God Bless and Peace in Christ!

 

Wouldn't we just luvv to know the particulars about the wicked, cruel, dastardly, ungodly things they did in those days?

 

Just a thought but since human nature cannot be changed, why were they any more violent before the global flood than we are now? God destroyed all but eight people and all of the non-marine animals except those on the Ark and the land was broken up into seven continents, etc., but how was man changed?