Which churches are growing?

[Yeshua1]

Yes, true but certain groups practice contemplative prayer and it’s hard for me to explain it to you since you are so embedded in your own thing . I don’t know, maybe you would have to be born into it.... no, it has to come to you. Have you ever read Martin Lloyd-Jones book “Studies in the Sermon on The Mount.” A friend gave it to me and it took me 16 years to actually read it... there are hard truths that I was ignoring. I then recommended it to my brother (a pastor) and he had a time going through it. Anyway you will not understanding about Catholism either if you focus on obvious. You need to look at subtle practices you as a Baptist don’t experience. But this isn’t going to happen if you continue to vilify them at every turn.

Do you see their dogmas and doctrines as being in the scriptures, yes or no?
The church of Rome claims to be the only true church, salvation found only in her, and said that the positions held by the reformers were damnable heresies.
Its black and white, either they are right, and we should be all Catholics, or else they dead wrong!

 

[Deadworm]

Do you see their dogmas and doctrines as being in the scriptures, yes or no?
The church of Rome claims to be the only true church, salvation found only in her, and said that the positions held by the reformers were damnable heresies.
Its black and white, either they are right, and we should be all Catholics, or else they dead wrong!

Your perspective on Catholic distinctives needs the corrective provided by the dialogue/ debate between the evangelical (Bowman) and evangelical-turned Catholic (Hahn) here;

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...0C4B52FA159FDC6CE8550C4B52FA159FDC6&FORM=VIRE

As already mentioned, I myself will start a new thread on the biblical foundation of Catholic distinctives when I have time.

 

[Reynolds]

And so explain it to me and then point out the heresy and then justify your own beliefs.
As far as I’m conserned, anyone claiming their belief in Christ as lord and savior is saved.

Their faith is not in Christ alone. Their faith is a mixture of Christ, baptism, sacraments, confession to the priest, penance, etc.

 

[Salty]

Do you see their dogmas and doctrines as being in the scriptures, yes or no?

Some yes - most no

 

[Yeshua1]

Your perspective on Catholic distinctives needs the corrective provided by the dialogue/ debate between the evangelical (Bowman) and evangelical-turned Catholic (Hahn) here;

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...0C4B52FA159FDC6CE8550C4B52FA159FDC6&FORM=VIRE

As already mentioned, I myself will start a new thread on the biblical foundation of Catholic distinctives when I have time.

The Church of Rome stills sees the Council of Trent as being their Dogma, and so they still deny the True Gospel and the true faith of Christianity!
Rome has not and will not change, its us who would have to do that, by denying the true Gospel of Christ!

 

[Yeshua1]

Their faith is not in Christ alone. Their faith is a mixture of Christ, baptism, sacraments, confession to the priest, penance, etc.

Paul calls that a false Gospel!

 

[Deadworm]

The Church of Rome stills sees the Council of Trent as being their Dogma, and so they still deny the True Gospel and the true faith of Christianity!
Rome has not and will not change, its us who would have to do that, by denying the true Gospel of Christ!

Once again, Baptists are too closed-minded to watch the videos that might correct their misconceptions. Watch the video I posted and weep over your willful distortion of the facts.

 

[Yeshua1]

Once again, Baptists are too closed-minded to watch the videos that might correct their misconceptions. Watch the video I posted and weep over your willful distortion of the facts.

You seem to be giving into the persuasion of rome, as they never agreed with the scriptures in regards to salvation!

 

[Deadworm]

You seem to be giving into the persuasion of rome, as they never agreed with the scriptures in regards to salvation!

A lie for which God will hold you accountable! Again I say unto thee, "Watch the posted video that corrects your false characterization."

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The Church of Rome stills sees the Council of Trent as being their Dogma, and so they still deny the True Gospel and the true faith of Christianity!
Rome has not and will not change, its us who would have to do that, by denying the true Gospel of Christ!

SO we are to deny the true gospel of Christ?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have seen more fights and backbiting here than any other Christian forum on the internet and we have a bad rep that has spread. When I first came here there was an actual purge of Catholics especially by an ex catholic monitor who had a visible hatred for all things Catholic and could raddle them off. At the time I had just moved from the Presbyterian tradition because what I persieved as querks and my brother who was a fundamentalist pastor assured that Baptists were different... so I come in here and saw a pogrom of sorts. After that, there was a long drawn out holy war, “Calvinists vs Arminians. Again B.B. drove out alot of good people. And most recently, politics... heaven help you if you don’t give tribute to trump. Again a mass exodus of good people gone.

Please forgive me but if being an evangelical is about tribal passive aggressive behavior, something has corrupted evangelicals. John puts it bluntly, “if you say you love God but hate your brother, you are a liar.” 1 John 4:20

 

[Reynolds]

I have seen more fights and backbiting here than any other Christian forum on the internet and we have a bad rep that has spread. When I first came here there was an actual purge of Catholics especially by an ex catholic monitor who had a visible hatred for all things Catholic and could raddle them off.

It is a discussion/debate forum. I don't take any of it personal.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

 

[Deadworm]

My very bright sister-in-law is a conservative evangelical by theology, but Richard Rohr (though a Catholic) is one of her favorite writers on Christian spirituality. I encourage you to googly his name and watch him teach. Yet I'm told that Arizona Franciscans have barred him from using their facilities because he is too theologically liberal for them. The best reaction to this flap is to embrace this principle: read and watch those teachers who are the most spiritually stimulating and helpful to you and set aside theological differences to receive this benefit. Some of the most helpful spiritual teachers for me are people with whom I have significant disagreements on important theological issues. But they often challenge and help my journey more than other teacher/ writers with whom I more fully agree because the latter too often just reaffirm what I already know and do.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

My very bright sister-in-law is a conservative evangelical by theology, but Richard Rohr (though a Catholic) is one of her favorite writers on Christian spirituality. I encourage you to googly his name and watch him teach. Yet I'm told that Arizona Franciscans have barred him from using their facilities because he is too theologically liberal for them. The best reaction to this flap is to embrace this principle: read and watch those teachers who are the most spiritually stimulating and helpful to you and set aside theological differences to receive this benefit. Some of the most helpful spiritual teachers for me are people with whom I have significant disagreements on important theological issues. But they often challenge and help my journey more than other teacher/ writers with whom I more fully agree because the latter too often just reaffirm what I already know and do.

My reason for posting that brother was not to promote Rohr... rather to have him explain contemplation. I think he did a good job. Obviously it’s a different prospective, one I dareson say that most Catholics are not aware of. Better yet, read Lloyd-Jones book on the sermon on the mount. That’s an eye opener.

 

[Yeshua1]

A lie for which God will hold you accountable! Again I say unto thee, "Watch the posted video that corrects your false characterization."

the Church of Rome has NEVER recanted of the false dogmas and doctrines, as in the Mass, Sacramental Grace salvation, being true church, salvation found only in her, and they also have stated that sincere people in other faiths can be saved, which denies Jesus is the only way to be saved!

 

[Deadworm]

the Church of Rome has NEVER recanted of the false dogmas and doctrines, as in the Mass, Sacramental Grace salvation, being true church, salvation found only in her, and they also have stated that sincere people in other faiths can be saved, which denies Jesus is the only way to be saved!

So what you're in effect saying is that you're determined to condemn RCs on the basis of your ignorant preconceptions and you're not willing to learn about your misconceptions from the video I posted.

 

[Yeshua1]

SO we are to deny the true gospel of Christ?

We as baptists accept it, but Rome does not!

 

[Yeshua1]

I have seen more fights and backbiting here than any other Christian forum on the internet and we have a bad rep that has spread. When I first came here there was an actual purge of Catholics especially by an ex catholic monitor who had a visible hatred for all things Catholic and could raddle them off. At the time I had just moved from the Presbyterian tradition because what I persieved as querks and my brother who was a fundamentalist pastor assured that Baptists were different... so I come in here and saw a pogrom of sorts. After that, there was a long drawn out holy war, “Calvinists vs Arminians. Again B.B. drove out alot of good people. And most recently, politics... heaven help you if you don’t give tribute to trump. Again a mass exodus of good people gone.

Please forgive me but if being an evangelical is about tribal passive aggressive behavior, something has corrupted evangelicals. John puts it bluntly, “if you say you love God but hate your brother, you are a liar.” 1 John 4:20

Jesus and Paul would both say that one cannot love the theology of Rome!

 

[Yeshua1]

My very bright sister-in-law is a conservative evangelical by theology, but Richard Rohr (though a Catholic) is one of her favorite writers on Christian spirituality. I encourage you to googly his name and watch him teach. Yet I'm told that Arizona Franciscans have barred him from using their facilities because he is too theologically liberal for them. The best reaction to this flap is to embrace this principle: read and watch those teachers who are the most spiritually stimulating and helpful to you and set aside theological differences to receive this benefit. Some of the most helpful spiritual teachers for me are people with whom I have significant disagreements on important theological issues. But they often challenge and help my journey more than other teacher/ writers with whom I more fully agree because the latter too often just reaffirm what I already know and do.

if someone teaches another Gospel message, let them be anathema
Galatians 1:8