Which churches are growing?

[Yeshua1]

So what you're in effect saying is that you're determined to condemn RCs on the basis of your ignorant preconceptions and you're not willing to learn about your misconceptions from the video I posted.

No, what I am saying is that the OFFICIAL doctrine of Rome is the Council of Trent, when it rejected the true Gospel that saves!
Catholic church very good at making things "sound" like they have changed, as in when they and Lutherans agreed that they both see it as being saved by grace and faith, but Rome willL not say ALONE for that!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

We as baptists accept it, but Rome does not!

And when non Calvinists say that you as a Calvinist preach another gospel ( let’s see, I’ve heard it referred to as a gospel of hate blah blah blah ) what do you tell them? Just who’s gospel is it anyway?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

if someone teaches another Gospel message, let them be anathema
Galatians 1:8

I’ve read that the RC Church used that scripture to both punish and execute people. So are you emulating them?

 

[Yeshua1]

And when non Calvinists say that you as a Calvinist preach another gospel ( let’s see, I’ve heard it referred to as a gospel of hate blah blah blah ) what do you tell them? Just who’s gospel is it anyway?

Calvinists and NON cals preach the same Gospel, its just how we understand it as being accomplished in salvation differs, but Rome has a different salvation altogether!

 

[Yeshua1]

I’ve read that the RC Church used that scripture to both punish and execute people. So are you emulating them?

No, jut saying that Rome preaches and holds to another gospel!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Jesus and Paul would both say that one cannot love the theology of Rome!

Your confusing theology with people.

So what you're in effect saying is that you're determined to condemn RCs on the basis of your ignorant preconceptions and you're not willing to learn about your misconceptions from the video I posted.

I guess this whole pattern started with Cain killing Abel. The evil one must always be killed so that the “I” can feel worthy. Another nationality, class of people or religion has to be named wrong so that “I “ can feel right.

The insecure and false self seems to need an enemy to scapegoat so they can feel superior and saved. Honestly they marginalize and demonize as a way to proving they are superiority and it’s been happening from forever. Now Jesus says in Matthew 5:45 to be children of your father in heaven, from this he causes his sun to rise on the bad as well as the good......

 

[Yeshua1]

Your confusing theology with people.

I guess this whole pattern started with Cain killing Abel. The evil one must always be killed so that the “I” can feel worthy. Another nationality, class of people or religion has to be named wrong so that “I “ can feel right.

The insecure and false self seems to need an enemy to scapegoat so they can feel superior and saved. Honestly they marginalize and demonize has as a way to proving they are superiority and it’s been happening from forever. Now Jesus says in Matthew 5:45 to be children of your father in heaven, from this he causes his sun to rise on the bad as well as the good......

Would paul be wrong if he was here today, and stating that Rome taught another and a false Gospel?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Calvinists and NON cals preach the same Gospel, its just how we understand it as being accomplished in salvation differs, but Rome has a different salvation altogether!

I beg to differ with you

 

[Yeshua1]

I beg to differ with you

John Wesley and me teach Justification by Grace alone/faith alone, I am a Calvinist, he was not, Rome teachers a sacramental grace system not found in Holy Scripture!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Would paul be wrong if he was here today, and stating that Rome taught another and a false Gospel?

Paul would not want different churches and how we all do church today would be wrong to him. Dare I mention that for PAUL ( In emulating Christ) it was Love that mattered most 1 Corinthians 13:1-13

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

John Wesley and me teach Justification by Grace alone/faith alone, I am a Calvinist, he was not, Rome teachers a sacramental grace system not found in Holy Scripture!

Rome is constantly changing. I mean the congregants I would say that most of their people today pay no or little attention to any of that sacramental stuff Today they would tell you they are saved by the indwelling of the HS and by Faith. Their salvation is tied by Faith that causes actions to help the brethren... see James 2: 14-17 and Matthew 22:37-40 and Matthew 5:43-48 and yada yada.

 

[Yeshua1]

Paul would not want different churches and how we all do church today would be wrong to him. Dare I mention that for PAUL ( In emulating Christ) it was Love that mattered most 1 Corinthians 13:1-13

Paul wanted the True Gospel to be maintained at all costs, for that only is what unites us all together, IE, true gospel that produces true Christianity!

 

[Yeshua1]

Rome is constantly changing. I mean the congregants I would say that most of their people today pay no or little attention to any of that sacramental stuff Today they would tell you they are saved by the indwelling of the HS and by Faith. Their salvation is tied by Faith that causes actions to help the brethren... see James 2: 14-17 and Matthew 22:37-40 and Matthew 5:43-48 and yada yada.

You are speaking of Individual Catholics whom the Lord has redeemed by Hi grace though, and I am addressing the official doctrines of Rome, that would call anyone who holds to salvation as scriptures declare it being as being hell bound.

 

[Yeshua1]

Paul would not want different churches and how we all do church today would be wrong to him. Dare I mention that for PAUL ( In emulating Christ) it was Love that mattered most 1 Corinthians 13:1-13

Paul would have been the first one pushing for the reformation though!

 

[Deadworm]

Would paul be wrong if he was here today, and stating that Rome taught another and a false Gospel?

Since you lack the integrity or curiosity to watch the posted video of a Catholic vs. evangelical dialogue on the salvation doctrine, then read my OP to my thread "The Biblical Basis of Catholic Distinctives" which champions the Catholic perspective on the Gospel and refutes your perspective.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You are speaking of Individual Catholics whom the Lord has redeemed by Hi grace though, and I am addressing the official doctrines of Rome, that would call anyone who holds to salvation as scriptures declare it being as being hell bound.

Nobody is hell bound if they are believers

 

[Reynolds]

My very bright sister-in-law is a conservative evangelical by theology, but Richard Rohr (though a Catholic) is one of her favorite writers on Christian spirituality. I encourage you to googly his name and watch him teach. Yet I'm told that Arizona Franciscans have barred him from using their facilities because he is too theologically liberal for them. The best reaction to this flap is to embrace this principle: read and watch those teachers who are the most spiritually stimulating and helpful to you and set aside theological differences to receive this benefit. Some of the most helpful spiritual teachers for me are people with whom I have significant disagreements on important theological issues. But they often challenge and help my journey more than other teacher/ writers with whom I more fully agree because the latter too often just reaffirm what I already know and do.

DZ.

Calvinists and NON cals preach the same Gospel, its just how we understand it as being accomplished in salvation differs, but Rome has a different salvation altogether!

As a Calvinist, why do you care? You believe God will save whom He will despite Rome.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Paul wanted the True Gospel to be maintained at all costs, for that only is what unites us all together, IE, true gospel that produces true Christianity!

And that would include non denomination. Seriously do you believe he would have to see all the Protestant denominations, Baptists, Fundimentalists, Catholics, Orthodox, Quakers, Mennonites etc all vying to be the Right Christian religion? He would have been shocked

 

[Deadworm]

Sometimes fundamentalists seem to assume this sort of greeting by St. Peter at the Pearly Gates:
Peter: "Before you can enter Heaven, you need to pass a 4 hour doctrine exam. The exam with cover soteriology [doctrine of salvation] , doctrine of Scripture, and the basis of your church affiliation." I can imagine some simple godly Catholic grandmother sighing and saying, "I was never good at book learning. Which way do I go to get to Hell?"

 

[Deadworm]

I find The Trinity from Genesis to Revelation.

The word "Trinity" (Greek: "trias") is never mentioned in Scripture. The earliest Christian concept of the Trinity is attested by Theophilus, bishop of Antioch 180 AD), the church that discipled Paul. Theophilus embraces a "Trinity" of "God, God's Word (= Christ), and God's Wisdom." God's Wisdom is personified in the OT (e g. Proverbs 8). but the Holy Spirit is not. and no, you don't find the Trinity in the OT; you find God and the Spirit individually mentioned, but that is not the same as the Trinity. Nor will you find any academic commentary that recognizes OT allusions to "the Son of God" as allusions to Christ. So if you want to morph the baptismal reference to "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 28:19, you need the inspiration of later Catholic tradition to do that.