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Really????

Certainly you must have read:

1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
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Btw, the "seven thunders" that John was told to seal can certainly be considered in the same relevance as Daniel's words were sealed.

1) They are words of great calamitous for the ungodly but kept from the Godly less they become discouraged and dismayed just as Daniel's sealed words.
2) They are words which those who have ears will understand when God allows the revealing, for there will be nothing hidden from the Godly when we shall know as we are known.
3) There are events in history hidden, sealed, from the eyes of the church that as history unfolds the (at the present growing apostate) church looks for their only sustenance and preservation in the strength of Christ.
4) The question of "what is behind that closed door" has always been an enticement for speculation in humans. If they were given every statement proclaiming all future events, then what would intrigue them to consider and ponder further?
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It is important to trust that the thunders will be revealed just as Daniel's words were revealed.

The following is purely my own speculation and others should not use it as some indication held with any substance from Scriptures. But, just as the prophecy of Daniel was sealed until the appropriate time of revelation to the church, so too are these thunders. Imo, they shall when necessary be revealed to the believers in such a way as to declare what is necessary for the believers in that time, place and need.

However, in Luke 12 and 8 there is this statement,

1Under these circumstances, after so many thousands of people had gathered together that they were stepping on one another, He began saying to His disciples first of all, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. 2“But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. 3“Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed upon the housetops.

16“Now no one after lighting a lamp covers it over with a container, or puts it under a bed; but he puts it on a lampstand, so that those who come in may see the light. 17“For nothing is hidden that will not become evident, nor anything secret that will not be known and come to light. 18“So take care how you listen; for whoever has, to him more shall be given; and whoever does not have, even what he thinks he has shall be taken away from him.”
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Knowing that the context of the first is about hypocrisy and the second about covering up sin, does not prevent the statement from being applicable to revealing ALL deceitfulness as deceitful. This could actually be the use of the thunders as God opens the understanding of the nations to disclose all the deviousness of history and humankind.

Ultimately, the thunders shall be revealed and disclosed, in God's timing.

 

Be careful, the non-cal folks will jump on this claiming you had a heat-stroke seizure of the mind!

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Isaiah 51:6. 'Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look at the earth beneath.
For the heavens will vanish away like smoke,
The earth will grow old like a garment and those who dwell in it will die in like manner;
But My salvation will be forever, and My righteousness will not be abolished.'

 

Just consider this:

God has a finite number of elect that He knew before the foundation of the earth. Once that last sheep is brought into the fold, it's over.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

But it is awfully hard to reconcile with your presumptions.

As is the comparison of the final judgment to the judgment in the days of Noah. The judgment upon the earth in the days of Noah, wasn't about basic principles. Neither was the judgment on Sodom, Gomorrah, Tyre, Sidon, Pompeii, Herculaneum, etc. The judgment in the days of Noah was global, and the coming judgment will be as it was in the days of Noah. Life going on merrily until the last of the elect got into the Ark, then *boom* the world that then was was destroyed.

Christ didn't say, As it was in the days of Moses, or Elijah, or Josiah, where systems and paradigms were violently confronted and reformed.

He said as it was in the days of Noah, when God brought violent judgment upon the entire earth, and destroyed the world that then was. Only this time, the heavens will also pass away.

 

Armagedden seems to be worldwide, eh?

 

It's used here in the same manner as the "heavens," and as it's obviously used, meaning material things.

All Christian instruction on this earth teaches us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

You say that Day has come. You're wrong, and if you won't yield to the Scriptures, how much less will you yield to my words.

Maybe yield to the testimony of your own marriage. Marriage doesn't exist in the Resurrection. It is a present worldly thing.

 

Is there any promise of the NT yet to come?

 

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

There ya go. If you can see it with your natural eyes, it ain't here forever.

 

Lol. A jab at the Resurrection again. Our bodies are sown temporal, but raised eternal.

I figured there might be some objection, so here is another to consider:

Hebrews 12:26-27 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

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2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

We shall be like the angels in heaven insofar as we shall not marry or be given in marriage (Matt. 22:30 tc.). The text does not say that we shall not have physical bodies, for that would contradict 1 Cor. 15.

No indeed, but in glory He is still 'like a Son of man' (Daniel 7:13).

Indeed it was, and His return 'in like manner' (Acts 1:11), when 'Every eye shall see Him' will be to bring this present world to an end

To sat that 'the heavens and the new earth = the Jews' is not metaphorical; it is a dismal attempt at allegory. It fails because there is no point of contact between the one and the other.

The Jews did not disappear in AD 70, nor did their opposition to the Christians. According to F.F. Bruce, curses upon the Christians as part of the Jewish liturgy did not begin until around AD 90. The Jewish Priesthood survived certainly until AD 136.

The destruction of the Temple was not a unique event because it had happened before under Nebuchadnezzar.

The end of the sacrificial system did not occur in AD 70, but at the cross where our Lord offered one sufficient and acceptable sacrifice for all time. The destruction of the Temple was effectively a dead tree finally keeling over in a gale.

The trials of the Jewish people, as described in Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 were not completed in AD 70. They continued down the years and reached their zenith (if that's the right word) in WW 2.

In short, AD 70 is simply not the climax of history that Hyper-preterists require it to be.