Featured The Historicity of Adam: how important?

God gave to Moses what really happened, was and is inspired text, so why the need to harmonize?

 

Jesus and Paul accepted genesis as being historaical account recording of real events, not myths or allogories, and not fitting into what other text in other cultures recorded down!

 

This redefining genesis to fit into cosmological assumptions, to be the Temple of the Lord, to try to fit modern accepted scientific so called facts seem to be the one to get to a non inspired text!

 

You do not speak the truth!

"These are seven twenty-four-hour days. This has always been the best reading of the Hebrew text. Those who have tried to alleviate the tension for the age of the earth commonly suggested that the days should be understood as long eras (the day-age view). This has never been convincing" Walton, LWOG1 p. 90

"When we identify Adam and Eve as historical figures, we mean that they are real people involved in real events in a real past. They are not inherently mythological or legendary, though their roles may contribute to them being treated that way in some of the reception history. Likewise they are not fictional" Walton, LWOA&E, p. 101

“If Genesis 1 is not an account of material origins, then it offers no mechanism for material origins, and we may safely look to science to consider what it suggests for such mechanisms. We may find the theories proposed by scientists to be convincing or not, but we cannot on the basis of Genesis 1 object to any mechanism they offer.” Walton, The Lost World of Genesis One. p 162

Rob

 

Not that I have anything against writing, but that seems to leave out oral history.

I mean, secular academics don't bat an eye at Greek, Norse, or Frankish bards (or an ἀοιδός) memorizing and accurately transmitting reams of information.

 

True Walton’s:Adam is not the one in the photo in your bible.
And his books certainly do not teach you what you have been taught all your life. ... but that’s what learning is all about.

Walton makes a strong biblical case for what the Bible tells us about creation and relates how other biblical authors use Adam’s life to tell us about God’s plan for mankind.

Nuff said, read the books!

Rob

 

Without a real historical Adam and Eve Christianity comes unraveled.

 

Sounds like the majority view. If space is the second heaven, then God is not "headquartered" here but in the third heaven. So I wonder if the universe is finite? The problem with secular science is that it really falls of its own weight and has no answers at all. Does anyone believe Darwin anymore? Does anyone believe Big Bang anymore?

More importantly, as everyone has said, if there is no first Adam, why do we need a last Adam? Is Jesus a liar, a lunatic, or the Lord?

Finally, I think that Adam wrote a book that came to Noah and then to Moses. Noah has been underestimated and Adam had to have been the smartest man because some of his sons have been wise, such as Solomon and John the Baptist.

 

As it should be . A real Adam and Eve are necessary .

allegory is harder to challenge as it depends what form this allegory takes place. 1. The story of Adam and Eve is a metaphor ( didn't exist) 2. Adam and Eve existed but were leaders/King and Queen of a tribe( often dismisses other elements of the story. 3. many more

 

In another place, Christ said if something wasn't so, He would have told us. Yet, you and your author are saying that His prophets may assert things that aren't so, and He sees no need to correct that.

So, where, exactly, can we have assurance that Christ is relating things that are so, and where He is relating things that are not so?

 

I can't quite follow that logic. If we give him credit for the smart ones, then we have count all of the morons against him, too.

 

Oh, I am speculating that Adam was perfect and so genetically some of his descendants inherited some of his brains. In other words could a descendant be smarter than any ancestor? I don't know. Maroons like me were afflicted by the curse.

 

Ah, ok, got ya.

 

Evolution suggests that we are evolving higher and higjer but the truth is that there are more and more errors in the transmission of DNA so that we are doomedby our own genetics in the long run.