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Does Church of Rome Hold the The True Gospel?

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Vincent1

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I know that you think that you are drinking blood, etc, but it is still wine poured into the cup and drank by you, etc.

1 Corinthians 11:27–29 (ESV): Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.
 

HankD

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1 Corinthians 11:27–29 (ESV): Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.
There is no doubt that the bread and wine symbolize the body and blood of Christ.

I have a picture of my wife in my wallet - I show it to someone and say "this is my wife".

Remember - no cameras is Jesus day - the bread and wine are pictures.
 

Vincent1

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There is no doubt that the bread and wine symbolize the body and blood of Christ.

I have a picture of my wife in my wallet - I show it to someone and say "this is my wife".

Remember - no cameras is Jesus day - the bread and wine are pictures.

Yes but, “This is my body.” Not “This symbolizes my body”
 

Yeshua1

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Taking it in an unworthy matter refers to one living in known unconfessed sin , NOT rather they hold to if it be the flesh and blood or not!
 

Vincent1

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I cannot accept the Mass, as it denies that Jesus death was a once and forever atonement for sins!

The Catecism of the Catholic Church para. 1364 In the New Testament, the memorial takes on new meaning. When the Church celebrates the Eucharist, she commemorates Christ's Passover, and it is made present the sacrifice Christ offered once for all on the cross remains ever present.185 "As often as the sacrifice of the Cross by which 'Christ our Pasch has been sacrificed' is celebrated on the altar, the work of our redemption is carried out."186

1365 Because it is the memorial of Christ's Passover, the Eucharist is also a sacrifice. The sacrificial character of the Eucharist is manifested in the very words of institution: "This is my body which is given for you" and "This cup which is poured out for you is the New Covenant in my blood."187 In the Eucharist Christ gives us the very body which he gave up for us on the cross, the very blood which he "poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."188
 

Yeshua1

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The Catecism of the Catholic Church para. 1364 In the New Testament, the memorial takes on new meaning. When the Church celebrates the Eucharist, she commemorates Christ's Passover, and it is made present the sacrifice Christ offered once for all on the cross remains ever present.185 "As often as the sacrifice of the Cross by which 'Christ our Pasch has been sacrificed' is celebrated on the altar, the work of our redemption is carried out."186

1365 Because it is the memorial of Christ's Passover, the Eucharist is also a sacrifice. The sacrificial character of the Eucharist is manifested in the very words of institution: "This is my body which is given for you" and "This cup which is poured out for you is the New Covenant in my blood."187 In the Eucharist Christ gives us the very body which he gave up for us on the cross, the very blood which he "poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."188
Is there any sacramental grace bestowed upon those receiving it then?
 

Walter

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He told them while still with them, so they were cannabilizing his body in upper room?


Let's see if this is an answer to what you are asking, Yeshua1


The Eucharist is the glorified body of Jesus Christ. Christ’s risen body is not a resuscitated corpse like that of Lazarus, but an utterly transformed “spiritual body” (I Cor. 15:44) far different from the spatio-temporal “body of our lowness.” (Phil. 3:21) Therefore, when a Catholic Christian receives the Eucharist, he is receiving not just flesh but glorified flesh, a resurrected and transfigured “super body” that foreshadows the new reality of a new Heaven and a new earth. Cannibalistic practices don’t do that.


The Eucharist is life. Cannibals eat what is dead. The Aztecs, the most notorious cannibalistic society in history, ate the beating hearts of victims, but they were still eating something doomed to die, and in the act of eating, it did die. By contrast, Christ, is alive. He rose on the third day, and is present in the Eucharist as fully alive (indeed, He is Life itself). Our reception of the Eucharist doesn’t destroy or change that in any way.


 

Yeshua1

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Let's see if this is an answer to what you are asking, Yeshua1


The Eucharist is the glorified body of Jesus Christ. Christ’s risen body is not a resuscitated corpse like that of Lazarus, but an utterly transformed “spiritual body” (I Cor. 15:44) far different from the spatio-temporal “body of our lowness.” (Phil. 3:21) Therefore, when a Catholic Christian receives the Eucharist, he is receiving not just flesh but glorified flesh, a resurrected and transfigured “super body” that foreshadows the new reality of a new Heaven and a new earth. Cannibalistic practices don’t do that.
What purpose is there to be do that? We are havingf saved by Him, receiving ALL spiritual bvlessings in Christ, why needing that?
 

Vincent1

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God never would ask us to do that, as that would be sinful!

Why would it be sinful to eat the body of the Lord if commanded by Him to do so? Disobeying Him would be sinful.

Furthermore, human sacrifice is sinful. Yet God commanded it of Abraham.
James 2:21 (ASV): Was not Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?
 

Yeshua1

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Why would it be sinful to eat the body of the Lord if commanded by Him to do so? Disobeying Him would be sinful.

Furthermore, human sacrifice is sinful. Yet God commanded it of Abraham.
James 2:21 (ASV): Was not Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?
The Gospel of John was gioven to impart spiritual truth/application, and yet the Jews, as do theCatholics, keep missing that as being physical!
 

Yeshua1

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Why would it be sinful to eat the body of the Lord if commanded by Him to do so? Disobeying Him would be sinful.

Furthermore, human sacrifice is sinful. Yet God commanded it of Abraham.
James 2:21 (ASV): Was not Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?
NO, God commanded the faith he had demonstrated by being willing to do as God asked him to...
Faith alone in Jesus Justifies, but genuine faith will also have accompany works to support it existing now!
 

Vincent1

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NO, God commanded the faith he had demonstrated by being willing to do as God asked him to...
Faith alone in Jesus Justifies, but genuine faith will also have accompany works to support it existing now!
Not my words, but the word of God.
James 2:21 (ASV): Was not Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?

But I do agree agree that having Faith means obeying the Lord, no matter what He asks. Up to and including eating His flesh and drinking His blood.
 

Yeshua1

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Not my words, but the word of God.
James 2:21 (ASV): Was not Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?

But I do agree agree that having Faith means obeying the Lord, no matter what He asks. Up to and including eating His flesh and drinking His blood.
James here does NOT refer to same as Paul does in Justification, as James refers to how we live showing to othgers that we are really now saved! paul refers to how we first get saved!
 

Cinnamon Apples

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Rome make very clear cliams to be the true church of Jesus here upon the earth, salvation found in no other, so does Rome heed the true gospel or not?
No, it does not. It took the place of the true good news and replaced it with the visage of man.
The Council of Trent and others responsible.
 

HankD

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Yes but, “This is my body.” Not “This symbolizes my body”
Like I said - I don't say that when I show you a picture of my mother - this symbolizes my mother, but - this is my mother
Besides that Jesus told you what He meant.

In the Douay-Rheims:

John 6:64 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

In the KJV
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
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