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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by rlvaughn, Jul 31, 2018.

  1. SovereignGrace

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    But I quoted from Revelation 20, and you said those were those whose names were blotted out of the Book of Life. No where, and I mean NO WHERE, does it say that in Revelation 20:11-15.

    Judgment at the Throne of God

    Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.[Rev. 20:11-15]

    All it says is their names were not found in the Book of Life, not blotted out of it.
     
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    NONE at that GWT will be saved, as the Lord will use good works todetermine degrees of hell, not if they avoid it or not...
     
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    He(loDebar) said those at the GWT had their names blotted out of the Book of Life. No where does it say that in that passage. He then goes and pulls three outside texts to ‘prove’ his false assertion. It’s like trying to debate with a four year old.
     
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    He is the poster boy for what happens when one goes to far with "free will" Theology!
     
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    All you are doing is positing Pelagianism on here. That everybody is born tabula rasa and then after they become sinners, they are lost.


    Calvin's Commentary on the Bible


    28.Let them be blotted out from the book of the living. (95) This is the last imprecation, and it is the most dreadful of the whole; but it nevertheless uniformly follows the persevered in impenitence and incorrigible obduracy of which the Psalmist has spoken above. After having taken away from them all hope of repentance, he denounces against them eternal destruction, which is the obvious meaning of the prayer, that they might be blotted out of the book of the living; for all those must inevitably perish who are not found written or enrolled in the book of life. This is indeed an improper manner of speaking; but it is one well adapted to our limited capacity, the book of life being nothing else than the eternal purpose of God, by which he has predestinated his own people to salvation. God, it is certain, is absolutely immutable; and, further, we know that those who are adopted to the hope of salvation were written before the foundation of the world, (Ephesians 1:4;) but as God’s eternal purpose of election is incomprehensible, it is said, in accommodation to the imperfection of the human understanding, that those whom God openly, and by manifest signs, enrols among his people, are written, On the other hand, those whom God openly rejects and casts out of his Church are, for the same reason, said to be blotted out. As then David desires that the vengeance of God may be manifested, he very properly speaks of the reprobation of his enemies in language accommodated to our understanding; as if he had said, O God! reckon them not among the number or ranks of thy people, and let them not be gathered together with thy Church; but rather show by destroying them that thou hast rejected them; and although they occupy a place for a time among thy faithful ones, do thou at length cut them off, to make it manifest that they were aliens, though they were mingled with the members of thy family. Ezekiel uses language of similar import when he says,

    “And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel.”
    (Ezekiel 13:9)

    That, however, continues true which is spoken by the Apostle John, (1 John 2:19,) that none who have been once really the children of God will ever finally fall away or be wholly cut off. (96) But as hypocrites presumptuously boast that they are the chief members of the Church, the Holy Spirit well expresses their rejection, by the figure of their being blotted out of the book of life. Moreover, it is to be observed that, in the second clause, all the elect of God are called the righteous; for, as Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 4:3,

    “This is the will of God, even our sanctification, that every one of us should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor: for God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.” (1 Thessalonians 4:3)

    And the climax which the same Apostle uses in the 8th chapter of his Epistle to the Romans, at the 30th verse, is well known:

    “Whom he did predestinate, them he also called; and whom
    he called, them he also justified; and whom he justified,
    them he also glorified.” (Romans 8:30)

    Psalms 69:28 - May they be blotted... - Verse-by-Verse Commentary
     
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    Look at the sequence,

    The names were there, in the Book

    Some names are blotted out because some names are not blotted out

    Then, names are mentioned as not not being found in the Book, so these must have been blotted out.
     
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    So you think God honestly blots ppl’s names out?
     
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    Reread post # 85, please.
     
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    Why can't you understand the verses?
    You have listed verses that do not apply to the subject, They are true just do not apply. And then you include someones misinterpretation.

    Here is the sequence

    You name was in the Book, probably when God gave life. So it is in the Book,
    Some are not blotted out, which can mean names can be blotted out of the Book.
    The some names HAVE been blotted out because they are not found in the Book.

    What does scripture mean to you?

    and my goodness do not use Calvin to try to show me anything. He does the opposite than impresses me
     
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    By using your (il)logic, God is a bird.

    He will cover you with His pinions, And under His wings you may seek refuge; His faithfulness is a shield and bulwark.[Psalms 91:4]

    What does scripture mean to me? EVERYTHING. I base my life upon it. That’s why I come after those who twist it to make it say what they want it to say.

    God’s eternal decrees are just that...eternal. The Christ said that His sheep, none can take from His Father’s hands. Their names are not blotted out. To say others are once there but then blotted out is horrible.
     
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    How is your relationship with our Lord, Brother? Take a breather, take a brake. I sense a hindering spirit in this reply.
     
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    No, no hindering spirit in me. Just that when I see ppl debase God and exalt man, I will call them on it.
     
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    God doesn't need us to defend Him at every text in which people disagree with us. As A. W. Tozer Wrote, "If God needed me to defend Him, he would not be a god worth worshipping."
     
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