So again, you are saying Christians will be damned if they do that?
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Divorce before conversion able to marry
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1689Dave
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Christians will not be in that situation, or if they are, they will not remain in it. How do you spot a Christian? They do certain things and do not do certain things.
So if you saw David when he murdered and did adultery, he had the signs of salvation?
1689Dave
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He did not remain in that situation.
Mikey
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Not at all. Why would be teaching the OT rules when they were about to be done away with? Yes he was in the OC but he taught about the coming NC, the full fulliment of the OC. Jesus was not restating the Mosaic law.
He was still in adultery though, by your onw definition
1689Dave
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Jesus was conversing with the Pharisees who were still under the law.
“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people.” (Jeremiah 31:31–33)
The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant.
“And He (God) wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.” Exodus 34:28
“And He declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, even the Ten Commandments.” Deuteronomy 4:13:
“When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.” Deuteronomy 9:9:
“So I turned and came down from the mount . . . and the two tables of the covenant were in my two hands.” Deuteronomy 9:15:
“There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, when Jehovah made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt,” I Kings 8:9
“And there have I set a place for the ark, wherein is the covenant of Jehovah, which he made with our fathers, when he brought them out of the land of Egypt.” I Kings 8:21
The second of these two texts is repeated in II Chronicles 6:11.
Consider “The ark of the covenant” that held the Ten Commandments (Numbers 10:33; Jeremiah 3:16, and other places)
1689Dave
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No, Uriah was dead.
Mikey
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this does not answer anything I mentioned. I am not arguing about NC vs OC or our relation to the Decalogue.
I replied to your reply regarding Matthew 5:32
if he was not, and David kept married to her, would he had died in sin and gone to Hell?
1689Dave
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Yes, but God's elect will not end up in this situation. If you see someone in it, there's a good chance they are lost.
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10)
1689Dave
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Divorce was an Old Covenant provision. And Adultery punishable by death. So if they killed the adulterer the innocent spouse was free to remarry in this passage. But even then notice in Matthew 19:9. The innocent wife divorced from the adulterer (many think this is grounds for remarriage) still commits adultery when she remarries in this passage.
Divorce does not exist in the New Covenant. And the pagan laws mean nothing in God's sight. People are married until the death of their spouse.
Mikey
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Matthew 9:19 "And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery"
do you just skip over this part?
1689Dave
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Notice the innocent woman divorced by her adulterous husband still commits adultery when she remarries, also the innocent new husband. If the except clause worked, she would be free to remarry.
Mikey
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Can you give me the verse that states she is not free to remarry? I've read all of Matthew Ch19 and I can't see it anywhere.
1689Dave
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“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.” (Matthew 19:9) (KJV 1900)
On the surface it appears Jesus approves of remarriage if we divorce our spouse on grounds of adultery. But how can this be? The innocent wife, divorced from an adulterous husband, commits adultery when she remarries. And the man she marries also commits adultery.
here's the break-down.
Husband 1 commits adultery by marrying wife 2 who also commits adultery.
except clause does not apply because:
divorced innocent wife 1 also commits commits adultery along with husband 2 when they marry.
Back in the day they killed adulterers so the except clause would pertain to this allowing remarriage of the innocent.
Are you teachingsinles perfection here then?
Guess he is right, and our Lord was wrong!
1689Dave
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“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” (Hebrews 12:14)
So the blood of jesus cannot allow God to forgive them in the second marriage, correct?
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