The holy Spirit Himself can use the talents and gifts given to those in worship and in teaching andwith the pastor to glorify Jesus Christ, as we do desire and seek Him to be present in our midst!
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Do Baptists Seek Presence of Holy Spirit in Worship?
- Thread starter HopefulNChrist
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Seen what? The Holy Spirit working in Sunday at yopur churech?
Of course not. Anything to do with or associated with "seducing spirits".
I apologize for the confusion. I agree.
HopefulNChrist
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Explain how you draw close to God, because I do not see that as seeking an infilling of the Holy Spirit. Let us read it in context.
James 4: 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
So we draw nigh to God by NOT being a friend of the world. We submit to God by resisting the devil and temptations.
By His grace and by His help, no continually infilling required, I shall apply scripture to what James mean by referring to John.
1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
I have not referred to any of my dreams in relation to the topic.
I am calling you out because there is no difference between you and the Pentecostal , Charismatics, and Catholics that seek after the same. If you speak against slain in the spirit and holy laughter phenomenon as not being of God, then why preach the very groundwork whereby those apostasy happens by?
The late David Wilkerson preached against "holy laughter" and all those crazy phenomenon, but he did wonder why so many of that apostasy were coming to his service, expecting to see the same thing; and that is because he talked like them, inviting the Holy Spirit to come to the worship place or asking the father to send the Holy spirit in the worship place; and then testifying to feeling the Presence of God in the worship place. That is why those that have gone astray in those apostate movements were coming to his service, expecting to see those other signs.
For they too seek not only the visits of the Holy Ghost but an infilling too where they get slain in the spirit and other acts of confusion too. So how can you correct them when you are preaching the groundwork for that to happen for them?
I ask you to go before that throne of grace for His help in discerning this issue in according to all of the scripture that refutes how you are misapplying scripture to mean, because you have not addressed any of them.
How can you test the spirits if you put the Holy Spirit outside of you in the worship place and thus in the world where the spirit of the antichrist is at?
Slain in the spirit is unbiblical. I'm not even sure what holy laughter is.
Seeking God-Biblical
Experiencing God-Biblical (John 14:21)
Knowing God-Biblical
God revealing Himself to Us-Biblical
Being Filled with all the Fullness of God-Biblical
Being Filled with the Fruits of His Spirit-Biblical
Growing in Grace-Biblical
Experientially knowing God-Biblical
Be cognizant of the Presence of God in your midst (along with the indwelling Spirit of God that bears witness to it)-Biblical.
1 Corinthians 3
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are
Paul here is talking about the corporate body of believers.
His take on the Infilling of the Holy Spirit and that the death of jesus can only partial save us are not bblical!
In drawing near to God, self evaluation is important.
One place which is sorely neglected:
Ephesians 5 "submitting" to one another is probably one of if not the number one area of failure.
Matthew 5
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
One place which is sorely neglected:
Ephesians 5 "submitting" to one another is probably one of if not the number one area of failure.
Matthew 5
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Never seen the service truly turned over to Him. We have to stick to our schedule and beat the Methodists to the buffett.
HopefulNChrist
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Is Jesus Christ in you or not? That is the examination of our faith.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
You were lost; and now you are found. Why act like you are still lost in seeking the Lord as if He is not in you?
I have heard of that misapplication but no. Each believer will be judged by what each man have built on that foundation.
1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Do note the consequence for defiling the temple of God which is physical death in verse 17 above; and not the body of believers, the church but the individual believer as proven below.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Notice the warning to the church at Thyatira in how He addresses those not holding to that iniquity nor speak the utter depths of Satan for which they have not known are obviously not going to be judged by their church, but by what each believer built on that foundation. Not every member of a body of believers at that city follow the same doctrine, so each believer will be judged individually and not by a church..
Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
HopefulNChrist
Member
You are not reading my words nor His words, brother.
We are always Spirit-filled as a testimony that we are always saved so we can testify that Jesus Christ is our Saviour at any time.
But not every believer will be found abiding in Christ to be received as a vessel unto honor when they are not treating their bodies as a vessel unto honor by living in unrepentant sin. As the church is to excommunicate unrepentant believers to hold the feats of fellowship in sincerity and in truth, so will the Bridegroom for attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven.
Those denied for being workers of iniquity are still His and they shall be received as a vessel unto dishonor in His House later on after the great tribulation because that foundation remains... that seal of adoption.. the Holy Spirit.. is not going anywhere.
Do know that when they die after having been left behind, they will be present in spirit with the Lord in Heaven.
Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.....
21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Then the apostle John saw a vision of these left behind saints resurrected after the great tribulation as coming out of the great tribulation when His throne is on earth.
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
It is your habit to not read those scripture, but maybe the others reading this thread will see you are way off base on what I am sharing.
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Do Baptists Seek the Presence of the Holy Spirit?
Yes. We sing that song, "Holy Spirit, You are Welcome Here", and then the Spirit moves from the lobby into the sanctuary, but not before we sing.
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Yes. We sing that song, "Holy Spirit, You are Welcome Here", and then the Spirit moves from the lobby into the sanctuary, but not before we sing.
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who secures us forever when saved? theTtrinity, or ourselves?
HopefulNChrist
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Well that would explain how "slain in the spirit" and "holy laughter" movement can happen even in a Baptist church.
Let me ask you this. If you know that the Holy Spirit is in you, doesn't that song deny Him in you when you are welcoming Him as if He is not already in you since you had been saved? That is called hypocrisy, brother.
If the church had asked you to preach next Sunday and next Sunday, the church all greeted and acknowledged you at the pulpit to preach and yet before you begin a sermon, the preacher, the elders, the deacons and half of the congregation have turned away looking for you as if you are not already at the pulpit.
You complain to them that you are right here, but no... they acknowledge you but still look for you elsewhere as if you had not come yet. Then they cry out, exclaiming they have found you as this stranger comes in, knocks people down and tickle them with laughter and do even mean things to them to confusion them. You cry out from the pulpit that the stranger is not you, but they said.. we called for him, and he came.. it has to be him.
See the necessity in regards to our faith for why the real indwelling Holy Spirit will always keep the spotlight on the Son in worship whereas seducing spirits would not?
HopefulNChrist
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You should ask those who oppose me when seeking the Holy Spirit in the worship place as if they can get closer to Him in that way rather than by acknowledging Him dwelling in us and abiding in us forever as a testimony that we are saved since we had first believed in Jesus so that they are not worshiping God the Father out of spirit and apart from the truth the way that they are.
Why? It may be extra Biblical, but I do not see un-Biblical.
HopefulNChrist
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@JonShaff See that slippery slope now, brother? There can be no partiality with that which is 100 % wicked. Jesus said this for a reason, and it is not just about salvation. Jesus is talking about how sinners and believers are to continue to come to God the Father by in worship, prayer, and fellowship and that is by the only way of the Son; not by "coming" to the Holy Spirit.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
This is because sinners in the world that worship spirits and commune with spirits have to depart from that "practice" by coming to God the Father by way of coming to the Son in worship to honor only the Son in worship if believers wish to abide in Him in coming to God the Father by.
American Indians dance and chant for the Great Spirit to come. They took to alcohol because it reminded them when they were communing with the Great Spirit. This is the same phenomenon experienced by the American Indians that Pentecostals, Charismatics, and Catholics experience when falling down by these visitations of what they believe was the Holy Spirit. They were not calling for the American Indians' Great Spirit, but the Holy Spirit to come & fall on them.
So why would God allow believers to suffer a strong delusion in believing that lie that slain in the spirit is of the Holy Spirit when they were calling and expecting the Holy Spirit to visit to be felt outside of them in the worship place?
Because they climbed up another way around the Son in worshipped and thereby God permitted the lie to occur.
John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
There can be no partiality with the wicked. By removing the line of discernment in testing the spirits by placing the Holy Spirit outside of us in the worship place where the spirits of the antichrist are, there can be no test then.
There can be no defense of the faith in Jesus Christ either.
You are making many leaps in logic that you don't connect. I have experienced the manifest presence of The Spirit when I was not really seeking anything. It was not emotional. It was His manifest presence.
Having said that, I would say that much of what is attributed to the Spirit has nothing whatsoever to do with Him. Just remember to not throw out the Baby with the bath water.
Many cultures associate hallucinogenic drug encounters as experiences with deity or spirit or spirits:
Peyote: Plant Medicine for the Body, Mind and Soul | Stacy B. Schaefer, Ph.D.
Drugs - Terrible consequences are being reaped in America today.
It has been pointed out in the Revelation RE:"sorceries"
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries (Grk. pharmakeia) were all nations deceived.
Peyote: Plant Medicine for the Body, Mind and Soul | Stacy B. Schaefer, Ph.D.
Drugs - Terrible consequences are being reaped in America today.
It has been pointed out in the Revelation RE:"sorceries"
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries (Grk. pharmakeia) were all nations deceived.
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