Do Baptists Use the Term "Sacrament" in Communion?

Then for the sake of others because of that bad habit, it would do well not to cause them to stumble by not using that term sacrament.

And yet you say this below...

Catholic can still relate to those self same words on how they are receiving the sacraments in the Baptist church. Not good, brother.

I hope in Him that you will. Our examination of our faith places Christ in us. There is no coming to nor walking away from in regards to His Presence at communion. To say otherwise is to deny His Presence being in you always since salvation.

1 Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. 16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Paul's words warns believers not to treat the wine and the bread as the actual blood and body of Christ in order to avoid idolatry. How Paul used the word "communion" is meaning referring symbolically in relation to.

He points out how bread is used symbolically in another way below.

17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Then Paul refers to how Israel performed under the Old Covenant system of sacrifices to defer from the New..

18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

Do not the Catholic Church insists that priests has to be celibate in order to perform the Mass, otherwise married priests can only perform communion? Does not the Mass make that one time sacrifice for sin "made" present by the celibate priest as if they are stronger than Jesus in making Him come down ( how is that voluntary as they say ) and inhabit that sacrifice again?

All those verses to those few churches in Revelation that refers to sacrifice unto idols is referring to the Mass version of communion.... and Luke 13:24-30 signify an iniquity of eating & drinking in His Presence; so that also include the iniquity by Baptists that they believe they are holding communion with the presence of the Holy Spirit being in the worship place.

That, brother, is my concern.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

I pray that God is peradventuring right now in showing why Baptist cannot hold any terms nor any appearance of evil in holding communion as originating from the dead works of Catholicism.

Matthew 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Our words matter if our faith is to be seen as standing apart from the dead works of Catholicism. It would be the same as hiding our faith under a bushel because Catholics thinks we are saying the same thing and doing the same thing when coming into His Presence in communion. There can be no partiality with the wicked, right brother?

My point is .. since you had said that.. is not to use that term "sacrament" at all. But some of your words in this post as quoted does lend to strengthening Catholics in their wickedness.

I had come across some Catholic believers that believe they are saved, but they are remaining in the Church to witness to others. The problem here is... they are still in that Church for which the means of salvation comes by, and so even if they do say that to others, to them, they are staying just in case they are wrong. Again, light under a bushel.

Referring to the questions in the poll survey. I was hoping no Baptist believes that. I had visited a Methodist Church only one time but in that one time for someone's funeral, they had preformed the Mass, and I was like.. how did this happened?

I read an article about Lutheran churches in the UK apologizing to the Catholic Church as they recognize that they were no different from the Catholic Church. Hence .. a little leaven leavens a whole lump.

How long will it be that Baptists will see no difference of coming into His Presence when holding communion to be the same as taking communion with His Presence in the sacraments? Even your words repeated again in quote below make me wonder.

I am alarmed for my brothers in the Baptist churches..​

 

Continued from last post....

If we believe He is in us always, then there is no coming into His Presence in the worship place at communion, now is there?

The appearance of evil in the past is being seen again presently, which alarms me.

You should check this thread in this forum at the link below.

Understand God's Prayer System

It is the same rudiment by which slain in the spirit and holy laughter comes by. Another appearance of evil Baptist not abstaining from when Jesus Christ & the Holy Spirit is in us always.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

That is the reality of the New Covenant as opposing the Old Covenant when God's presence was in the Temple at Jerusalem.

It is because of that new reality is why we never have to ask for the Holy Spirit to come, so that we can test the spirits by knowing that He is in us so that the spirit outside of us is for sure, the spirit of the antichrist.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world....4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

The hypocrisy is saying He is in us and outside of us visiting us again and again and again when He has never left us inside.

Hopefully, the Lord is helping you to see now.

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I am talking about the origin of words; where it started. That is why sacraments, Eucharist, Mass, the holy word of "holy" communion, and anything originating from the Catholic Church should be dropped.

For instance, I used the word "deplorable" to describe a situation with an acquaintance, apparently very shortly after Hillary Clinton had used an extremely clumsy metaphor to describe certain types of people who were energized by Candidate Trump's campaign and rhetoric. Since I don't follow Hillary Clinton and did not regularly watch cable news channels, I didn't know that word -- a word I've used since I was in grade school -- had baggage. I learned about that baggage when the acquaintance unloaded on me with a torrent of accusations and insults.

So sacrament sets some people off. It bothers me because I know some of the history behind the usage of the word. Others, especially those who are reacting against Roman Catholicism or those who embrace it, hear the baggage.

However, whenever we say something about God, we are always in danger of being misunderstood. But it is better to speak and give context to words than no to speak at all.[/QUOTE]

Better not to use words that originated first elsewhere that testifies to the world its original meaning and not just to Christians if "Protestants" wants to have their faith as standing apart from the dead works of Catholicism. Martin Luther failed to complete the reformation. His failure is why the Lutherans in the UK has apologized to the Catholic Church for leaving it. You keep using those terms, they will forget their modified use of the term and go back to the original use and actual meaning of those terms. Get that? You want to avoid that mistake? You want your brothers not to stumble? Drop it.

Hope you brought your sled because you are on that slippery slope and sliding. You are in iniquity, brother. and you know it not.

Luke 13:24-30 addresses those in iniquity as eaten and drunken in His Presence. So how much abstaining from appearance of evil do you discern with Him at that throne of grace that you need to do now?

It doesn't when you are not even doing that. Christ's Presence in according to our faith is Him being in us. There is no coming into His Presence at communion when He is in us always. To say both is hypocrisy and thus denying Him as in you every time you say you are coming into His Presence in the worship place at communion or any other time.

The difference between the Old Covenant and the New is our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit now; 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 and Jesus Christ is located in us as that is the faith YOU are to keep by our words ( 2 Corinthians 13:5 ) and any one testifying to that spirit in the worship place as being the Presence of God is failing the test of spirits by John in 1 John 4:1-4

So don't take traditions that has always been when it has not been proven by YOU with Him by the KJV.

 

That has nothing to do with communion service.

That throne of grace is in Heaven where the risen Christ is serving as our only Mediator between us and God the Father in Heaven.

We approach that throne of grace by coming to the Son in coming to the Father in prayer in Jesus's name.

The Lamb of God is our Passover; He is the means by how we can approach God the Father in Heaven at that throne of grace.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

There is no throne of grace on earth presently to "go to" in coming to God the Father by. That is why no matter where you are, you can come to God the Father by the only way of the Son in prayer.

 

And what day of the week is referring to an evil practice in Christianity? None. What day of the week has originated from the works of Catholicism for salvation? None. So hardly the same context, brother, so be reasonable there.

It needs to continue that reformation by dropping terms that originated from the works of Catholicism.

Requoting you that sounds Catholic to me.

"I believe that the practice of communion within the fellowship of believers is a touchpoint to Christians over the last 2,000 years, as well as a connection to the heavenly realm, and the real presence of Jesus, as we "recognize the body" of Christ gathered with us." end of your quote.

Ask a Catholic if that is not something a Catholic understand as inferring the works of Catholicism. I'll call on up now to assess. @Adonia Please read the quote between " … " above of @Baptist Believer and does it sound catholic or not?

It seems like you are playing a game with me when you used that poor example as an excuse to keep using Catholic terms, but I can give a benefit of the doubt to continue this conversation in the hopes that God is ministering..

Well, only Jesus can help you see the necessity to NOT talk like that. In according to our faith, and even when testing the spirits, He is in us as opposed to the spirit of the antichrist that is in the world; hence outside of you in the worship place.

So you do not apply the warning by John to not believe every spirit but test them in 1 John 4:1 and that test is knowing He is in us as opposed to whatever that spirit that comes into the worship place as that spirit of the antichrist? 1 John 4:4

When there is no partiality with the wicked, there is no mimicking any appearance of evil with the wicked.

When the only function of communion is to do this in remembrance of Me, and to do this knowing Him being in us ALWAYS in according to our faith, then there can be no words nor conversation of Him being in the worship place at communion.

The only spiritual body are the bodies of believers that are the temples of the Holy Ghost ( 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ) and it will not add the presence of the spirit in the worship place to that testimony, because that is the spirit of the antichrist.

That body is the body of believers. the believers is a part of that body. We are not eating ourselves nor His body. That would be making the bread more than what it is as opposing the function Jesus set it for; to do this in remembrance of Him.

1 Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. 16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. 18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

Your reference is about just NOT using communion to satisfy hunger and thirst; that is another unworthy manner to avoid..

You do seem to be mixing the two unworthy manners up. You still consider communion as a holy moment. I believe communion is to be done in remembrance of what He has done in thanksgiving. It is an ordinance; it cannot be a holy moment if one wishes to avoid idolatry and to have their faith clearly seen as standing apart from Catholicism..

So why go beyond the words with terms in relation to communion of what none of the disciples nor Paul has written?

 

We are not to condemn believers but the works, brother. Here is a testimony from a fellow Baptist in this thread.

Broken up to read in quote better.

That is the view I am defending whereas you seem to be aligned with the other view below, right?

I am opposing that second position because it cannot pass the litmus test of testing the spirits in 1 John 4:1-4

Then you said..​

I believe I was.

When a presence is inferred as being in the sacraments per Catholicism, in so receiving at the Mass, what is the difference with the inference of His Presence at communion in making communion more than what it is, like the Catholic did?

I just believe that Romans Catholics will see you holding to that view of being more than a memorial service as they do.

Indeed, it is anathema if any one says they are only to do communion in remembrance of Him..

If it overlaps Romans Catholicism, then you have to be reading & applying His words wrong. There can be no partiality with the wicked in this matter.

His Presence being at communion service. Recognizing the bread as the actual body of Christ. I am beginning to see the word "communion" as "remembrance" in regards to the Lord's death for us by Whom we have been redeemed by..

It is a rest in remembrance, acknowledging Him in us as what He has accomplished on the cross and by His resurrection & ascension. To serve as a function for something else is hardly a rest.

Maybe if you explain by Him, the meaning of antichrist, you might see at the very least what I am saying. Antichrist means "instead of Christ" or more precisely, "instead of the Son". The spirit of the antichrist will seduce believers to not focus on the Son in worship but on chasing after them, even for feeling their presence in the worship place.

That also should apply for applying His Presence in the sacraments in regards to Catholicism, because that makes the sacraments the antichrist when seeking to receive Him as if by receiving the elements at communion.

In that same sense, receiving His Presence in the worship place at communion is the same appearance of evil when He has been in us and with us always when we came to the worship place for communion, and will be still in us always after communion. So should our words reflect what we really believe? I would say so now more than ever.

Explain to me what John is saying on how to test the spirits in 1 John 4:1-4 and do take note of verse 4 because that is the line of discernment for that test.

Matthew 12:1-7 dictates that Jesus is Lord of the sabbath. He gave 2 examples of O.T. saints PROFANING the sabbath but said they were guiltless because they were in the Temple. And so to defend His disciples, He then declare that One greater than the Temple was here for why His disciples were guiltless also. All believers that profane the sabbath day are guiltless because Jesus Christ is in us as it is His righteousness that is able to make us stand apart from the law. That is His glory.

our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit: 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 & Jesus Christ is in us : 2 Corinthians 13:5 and that is why all believers are guiltless for profaning the sabbath as Jesus is Lord of the sabbath day and not the other way around.

That is where our contention is at, brother. It can only be for the function of remembrance because that is all He said to do communion for.

Brother.. in context of Matthew 18:19-20, Jesus was referring to His future role as being our only Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5 & Hebrews 4:12-16

When Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit or the Father, He always use "he" or "him", but in Matthew 18:20, He said " I ".

That is how you rightly divide the word of truth so you can apply the test in 1 John 4:4 as that spirit outside of you in the worship place is NOT the Holy Spirit nor the Spirit of Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:12-27 is referring to individual believers that make up the assembly by how the Holy Spirit will manifest the gifts through to profit the body withal.

By how you believe communion serves more than the function of just doing it in remembrance of Him. So do they.

 

I am withdrawing from the forum, brother. It seems we are not all speaking the same thing nor having the same judgments, and when we are not all using one Bible version, it stands to reason why that can never happen.

Thank you for sharing. I am withdrawing to admonish you and can only ask you to go to Jesus to ask Him if everything is okey dokey between you & Him, because I am saying you are not abiding in Him as you should be, in word & deed in Jesus's name, but only He can confirm that to you.