Featured Eternal Subordination of the Son. Biblical?

The real problem is not solved for feminists (or others) in any case. For that, they would have to demonstrate that the Son was not subordinate to the Father on earth. Our current state and relationships are temporal. When we treat them otherwise, we cause a host of problems. I don’t expect the godless to get this, but we Christians must. We desperately need mature ones in charge.

Ravi Zacharias tells of how he explained something related to this to a reporter who quickly became an inquirer at his lecture. Afterward, she questioned him on racism and the LGBTQ issue. When he spoke of treating both race and gender as sacred, it shed a whole new light on it for her.

Will we accept our God-given roles? Will we become “martyrs” for Christ? I use this term in the biblical sense. That is, will we be witnesses by living according to God’s design, God’s calling?

 

A common false teaching held at large by most fellow trinitarians is the idea that the preincarnate Christ in His deity changed to become flesh (John 1:14). Yes His deity did not cease. What changed was how He was "with God." John1:2.

 

"My God, My God, why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?" Psalm 22:1

God the Father is Jesus' God, in this Passage, for example, by Office.

Each Member of The Trinity Holds Relationships by Office, while Being God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

 

I like to think of the earthly subordination of Christ as in relationship to military rank.

Christ as a multi-star general came to earth and set it aside becoming a basic trainee in the human race.

A General outranks a Private but is no better/worse a man than a Private.

 

Disagree with his take on this, as while upon the earth Jesus in His incarnation was subordinate to the father, once glorified back in heaven with his full glory, he went back to full equality with the Father!

Both Dr Grudem and Dr ware have been taking to task by Reformed believers though for their views, as they have modified it somewhat, to now seeming to be saying that Jesus was functioning in a subordinate role/position only while incarnated here on the earth, not before or after that!

 

He never called Himself to be son of God , but always son of man. He is God. co equal with the Father an Holy Spirit. He never left Heaven while on the earth as a man. 100% God, 100%man.

 

Peter called Him the Son of God, and the High priest asked Him that, and he agreed that he was!

 

He never referred to Himself as Son of God, just others, He was the physical son of God when He became son of man

Heb 1:5
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For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

 

Jesus agreed with the High priest that he was the Son of God!

 

where is that?

 

"He never called Himself to be son of God , but always son of man."

In Jn 10:36, Jesus rebukes his opponents who charge him with blasphemy "because *I* said *I am* the Son of God."

Seems to answer the point quite clearly.

(So also Jn 9:35-37, if the TR and majority text are followed).

 

Luke 22:70

 

Demons had no problem calling Him that!

 

He was the son of God , as He was human. He was not the Son of God in Heaven before He was human.. He was God

 

The demons recognized who He was as God and Human

Mar 1:24

Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.

 

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Brother Glen

 

that does not refer to God but the man who has claimed thus or who are his descendants

 

It is in fact the riddle to which John 3:13 (KJV or NKJV) is the answer.

 

Hebrews 13:8. 'Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever.'
In the light of this verse, we must declare that the Lord Jesus has always been God the Son. When Psalms 2:7 says, 'I will declare the decree: the LORD has said to Me, "You are My Son, today I have begotten You.."' it is speaking of the Decree of God, made in eternity.

There is therefore an asymmetric relationship between the Persons of the Trinity. Although they are all God, they so not relate to each other in the same way. The Father eternally begets the Son; the Son does not beget the Father. Father and Son send the Spirit; the Spirit does not send the Father.

Yet in the Incarnation, the Lord Jesus willingly became something He had never been: a Servant or slave. 'taking the form of a bondservant, coming in the likeness of men' (Philippians 2:7). Yet, although this is something that happened in time, it is also is also something that was decreed in eternity, in the Everlasting Covenant, so that Christ is 'the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world' so that Christ might be the Seed of the woman who should crush the serpent's head (Genesis 3:15; c.f. Titus 1:2).

So Christ was always God the Son, but He became the Suffering Servant in order to redeem mankind, though that task had been decreed from all time.

 

Jesus was not a son until He became a man. The Father was not a Father to God who became a man until Jesus became a man.
God who became a son of man was not a son in Heaven. He was in Heaven while as a man on earth.