John 1: verse 12...alone? or does 1:13 explain it?

jn1:10-13
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

It is a wonderful thing when a sinner receives or "welcomes The Lord Jesus Christ"
Many are eager to offer up Jn1:12 with an explanation that is directly contradicted by verse 13 saying the sinner in and of himself accepts or receives Jesus all by himself by an act of his will as if verse 13 does not exist...BUT IT DOES
When asked about it the person goes silent and moves along to another passage and does not comment on how the verses are connected. Chapter and verse divisions were added later, and these verses are clearly linked. Could you offer your explanation on why you do not connect these two verses as scripture does?

 

Here is an opportunity to attempt it and yet no one seems to be able to step up....
I THINK WE KNOW WHY

 

hey could you show me in verse 13 how it explains the cooperation. It looks like verse 13 gives an explanation for how the people came to receive Jesus and be made sons of God being that the natural man does not receive the things of the spirit of God thanks

 

Hello JonC,

I think we can all understand why people like to single out verse12.it is a positive verse....

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
here we have....
!]those who receive Him

2]being given power to be sons of God, ie, adoption

3]they get to believe on His name....I just do not like the disconnect from verse 13 which I think explains it.

 

InTheLight,

Hello ITL

Not really

Anyone who says that faith precedes regeneration is making that very claim. I believe I have seen that claim on BB for several years now.As if they have the power, the will, and ability to make their own salvation happen....then they "allow" the cross to be put to their account.

I believe it will be the same suspects who do this...two former moderators posted this many times.

 

"MartyF,

Hello MartyF

It was not a mistake whatsoever Marty...The question the OP raises has more to do with honest hermeneutics than a doctrinal system.to start with.
Also I think anyone who goes on an internet message board needs to put their big boy pants on and deal with whatever topic arises.

I am....

marty...I cannot remember anyone who is a reformed person of any name who would leave off verse 13...do not think I have ever seen that happen

No need to over think this Marty...I did not want to derail the other thread where i read verse 12 severed from verse 13,

At the end of the day, I go online and interact. My job has me in public places where i have several chances to speak with persons about the gospel in between my reading and online activity. I like to offer help to those who want to learn.

I believe truth matters and sometimes people look online for such help.On a forum such as this most who get the help are not those who post, but rather those who read what is posted.

Those who read as always should be as the Bereans...Acts17
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
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Some of my followers seek to oppose whatever I post. Some even like to censor what I post.
Each of us will answer to God for what we do, and why....I like to live by this verse; Acts24
16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.

No...I just keep it simple.if i can help thats what I try and do. like I said some do not want help, and there are some i cannot help. I just need to be faithful.

 

HankD,

Hank I used voice to text before, and it left off your name...sorry about that.

Agreed...before the world was

The only reason is God's good pleasure...think of how he addressed Israel,Deut7:
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.

Hank...when God saw me he saw a fatality at Genesis 2,and 3....he saw Ezkiels infant 16;
4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.

5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.

6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.

yes....I just do not see the aspect of co-operation,as I know I was in complete rebellion to God before he had mercy on me.

Agreed Hank

I understand your concern, however if truth is revealed it will not discourage anyone if rightly taught or preached.

 

Hank,
I agree that truth wrongly handled can be a hindrance as well as truth withheld. This can happen in several ways.
I remember seeing members trying to greet visitors and making very awkward comments that repelled them. The comments were more personal in nature than doctrinal.
My objection is when truth clearly written like Eph 1 are obscured or hidden, rather than simply read or proclaimed.

 

Yes...a God given spiritual seeing of God in His glory is going to lead directly to an Isa6 moment internally. Thanks for the welcome back...