I disagree that the type is defined by dissimilarities (I'm actually not even sure that makes sense). It's like saying we are the same type because we are different.
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Satan as a "type of Christ"
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I am not following you (sorry).
Romans 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift.
It means the free gift is not like the offense.
Are you suggesting "the offense" here is a type of "the free gift"?
Maybe this will help. You don't understand it when I say that Adam as a FIGURE of Christ is defined by dissimilarities to Christ. I've highlighted SEVEN dissimilarities, from scripture, in my first post. Seven dissimilarities.
Now, from scripture, list the similarities that define Adam as a type of Christ. FYI, before you give your list, first Adam and last Adam are dissimilarities (which brings the count to EIGHT dissimilarities).
List all the similarities.
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I understand how the types are different. I do not understand how you can believe what makes them "types" are in their differences.
Do to say Satan is a type of Christ is to say they are of the same kind with Satan pointing to Christ (even if through contrast).
My objection is saying Satan is a type of Christ. I believe it is wrong.
Because scripture is defining by differences in Ro 5.
I think it's wrong too. In my first post I stated there's no pointer in scripture that would lead to it.
Martin,
You are correct that a lamb was not lifted up, but you are not correct in assuming it was the type of Satan, but the authority stripped from Satan.
The typology is the accomplished work of the crucifixion, it was not that of a sin offering but that of life and healing aspects.
The folks looking upon the wilderness serpent of the wilderness served as a typology to the nullification of the power of Satan over death and the grave.
8And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.” 9So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole. And if a serpent bit anyone, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.
Therefore, the your thinking is correct in that the wilderness brazen serpent was not a sin offering, but mistaken in thinking it was not a typology of the Christ.
I agree the point between Adam and Christ (in that passage) is their differences.
I am sorry - I misunderstood ypu to be saying you also believed Satan was a type of Christ. I find that idea more objectionable than many that I would disagree with on the BB so I can't apologize enough for my error.
No big deal. I guess I wasn't clear. I meant that if someone wanted to Satan could be presented as a type through contrast as Adam is, but there's nothing in scripture that even suggests such a thing.
That's assinine. It shows desperation on their part to force their dogma. Christ is none other than the Man Child in Rev 12.
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...and I should've noted this in my first post. It's just that the Adam narrative is fresh on my mind because of recent topics.
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I think that if you are going to suggest that you are quoting me by using inverted commas, you should at least quote me accurately. What I said was:
The brazen serpent is a type of Christ made sin for us.
You are correct insofar as Christ on the cross strips the power from Satan
All mankind in a sense have been bitten by the serpent, since we are all lost in sin and dying as result of Satan's activity. It is when we see Christ with the eye of faith, suffering, bleeding, dying on the cross that we are healed (Isaiah 53:5; John 6:40).
It is quite clearly a type of Christ made sin for us. He counteracts and destroys the activity of Satan (1 John 3:8; c.f. Luke 10:18-19) by becoming sin for us that we may become the righteousness of God in Him..
No. Are you?
I was using them to set off the phrase "a type of Christ" (another use of the punctuation). The Baptist Board is equipped with a quote feature. That is what I use to quote members comments.
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In the type, not all had the need to look upon the brazen serpent.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up;
15 that whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life. Jn 3
8 And Jehovah said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a standard: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he seeth it, shall live. Nu 21
Note that the brazen serpent was lifted up for those that were bitten. Those NOT bitten had no need to go to the brazen serpent.
.........They that are whole have no need of a physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners. Mk 2:17
6 Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Mt 5
It is the Spirit working within His children that causes them to feel their need for the Savior.
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Note the distinction between the two types:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; Jn 3
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam`s transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the trespass, so also is the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.
16 And not as through one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment came of one unto condemnation, but the free gift came of many trespasses unto justification. Ro 5
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; Jn 3
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam`s transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the trespass, so also is the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.
16 And not as through one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment came of one unto condemnation, but the free gift came of many trespasses unto justification. Ro 5
Let's look at the history behind that brazen serpent. The Israelites committed sin against God and God sent serpents among them that bit them which resulted in death. Moses was instructed to make a brazen serpent and place it upon a pole. So the serpents are directly related to death. Satan came into this world in the form of a serpent in Genesis 3. Eve was deceived by him and partook of the tree that would result in death. Adam willingly partook with Eve and so death cam into the world in direct relationship with Satan in the form of a serpent. So, the serpent is a true type of Satan in relationship to death.
Moses was instructed to tell the people that if they simply looked upon the brazen serpent they would not die but live. Jesus takes this brazen serpent and applies it directly to himself in John 3:14-15. Hence, the brazen serpent is also a type of Christ in relationship to removal of death as it is a type of Satan in relationship with the cause of death. The connection between Satan and Christ with regard to the symbol of the serpent is sin and death. The former is the cause while the latter is the solution.
Now, follow closely. On the cross when Christ was "made to be sin for us" it was the destruction of Satan, sin and death. So, the common symbol for both Satan and Christ on the cross is comprehensive of Satan as the cause of sin and death and Christ as the solution of sin and death.
I don't think Satan has anything to do with things. Jesus defeated sin, death, and hell. Satan a fallen angel will be locked up in hell forever when time stops.
'For this reason the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil' (1 John 3:8).
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