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Eschatology Agnostics

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by asterisktom, Feb 5, 2019.

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  1. robycop3

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    I began reading encyclopediae at an early age, & have always been interested in history. I an age 70 & have perhaps 60 years of studying history, especially the history of wars. I was a USN corpsman, (1966-70) did a tour on land in Nam, & really studied wars then.

    I also studied a lot about the Caesars & great Roman generals.

    I believe most Christians, & many non-Christians, especially Muslims, knew J & the temple were destroyed in 70 AD. (You might read up about that entire campaign. It was a series of events.)
     
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    Clearly, the hand of God is evident from the founding of modern Israel thru now. And God said He will make Judah & Israel one nation again, so I believe the other tribes' IDs will become known to them, & they'll join the Jews.

    Here's a little aside, another prophecy that's being fulfilled RIGHT NOW ! !
    Isaiah 19:17 The land of Judah will become a terror to Egypt; everyone to whom it is mentioned will be in dread of it, because of the purpose of the Lord of hosts which He is purposing against them.

    See how LITERAL Biblical prophecy is? I believe you know that whenever one of the 6 million Jews in Israel rattles his Uzi, the 80 million Egyptians shake in their turbans. Israel has kicked their cans hard, twice, & they don't want a third one! Please read all of Isaiah 19 to see how this will turn out!
     
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    Even worse, there has not been a prince in Egypt for eons as God said there would not be and they are actually ruled by Muslims with their old world just ruins.

    Ezekiel 30:13 (KJV) Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also destroy the idols, and I will cause [their] images to cease out of Noph; and there shall be no more a prince of the land of Egypt: and I will put a fear in the land of Egypt.
     
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    Oh my lol
     
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    An ironic and incorrect statement. It is the Bible that convinced me of preterism. Read the OP. That was the whole point. I was trying to hose out years of Hal Lindsey and the rest. Something you should try.
     
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    What are you looking for? The Bible was all written before the event, but it is clearly foretold there. And it was to happen in that generation. There are about 4 or 5 dozen clear statements that limit the time of that event to the 1st century. And you want skip over the Bible and give other sources precedence?
     
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    There will no longer be another temple that matters to God. For something to be abominated it has to first be valid in the eyes of God. The final A of D happened in AD70.

    Also the Old Covenant was still partially in effect in the transition period. This is shown by Paul's taking a vow in Acts. And why Hebrews said it was "fading away". The actual end was marked by the destruction of the Temple.
     
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    No, not at all. Scripture shapes history, not vice versa, and there's simply NO historical record of the eschatological prophecies being fulfilled yet. You simply CANNOT avoid that fact.

    If you still believe they HAVE already occurred, you should be able to tell us:

    1.) the name of the "beast/antichrist",
    2.) the name of the false prophet,
    3.) what the marka the beast looked like,
    4.) when all life in the4 sea died,
    5) when all green grass was burned up

    among other prophesied events. We plainly see that the prophecies of the Olivet Discourse that HAVE come to pass, have done so LITERALLY, TO THE LETTER, so how can anyone deny the rest won't cometa pass just-as literally, matter-of-factly, and exactly?

    Again, if they'd already happened, history would NOT have missed them ! !
     
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    Read the verse more carefully. Neo died at the "brightness " of his coming. At the very beginning of these events he took his own life. There is too much here to thumb tap on my phone. I hope to start a new thread soon.
     
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    You keep looking for physical fulfillments of apocalyptic prophecies. Look at the Old Testament. How many times have the hills melted, God ride a chariot, etc?

    You are responding just like the first century Jews. They kept looking for literal fulfillments and missed out on the spiritual realities.
     
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    No, it DIDN'T! No evil world ruler set up his statue in it & proclaimed himself God. And the only Roman official who could possibly have entered the temple was Titus, & it's well-known Titus worshipped the Roman pantheon of gods. And there's no record that he did enter the temple. And hecertainly didn't issue any "marka the beast"!

    No, it wasn't! NOT ONCE did Jesus tell anyone He saved to go sacrifice an animal! And He plainly introduced the NC at the "Last Supper"! And what was fading away was the CEREMONIAL pare of the OC. Its AUTHORITY was already ended. However, to this day, the Orthodox Jews continue to worship according to it. (Not for one nanosecond am I saying that's CORRECT; I'm just reminding people that the practices are still being observed.)
     
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    No!

    When general Galba overthrew Nero, he sent men to arrest Nero. When those men were approaching, Nero had his secretary Epaphroditus stab him with a sword. Galba's men tried to save his life, but failed. Nero's last words were,"What an artist dies with me!" Those words & his death were recorded by both Epaphroditus and Galba's men.

    Now, several posts back, I posted a series of Scriptural criteria for the beast/antichrist that Nero did not meet. In fact, Hitler came closer than Nero did in fulfilling them. BUT THE TRUE BEAST MUST FULFILL ALL THOSE CRITERIA EXACTLY, TO THE LETTER! He simply has NOT yet been made manifest!
     
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    The prophesied events of the Olivet Discourse, as well as those Gabriel gave to Daniel have cometa pass LITERALLY, TO THE LETTER. There's simply NO legitimate excuse to believe the rest won't be fulfilled JUST-AS-LITERALLY.
     
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    There are no two parts to the Law. That is a convenient fiction. Give me a single verse that teaches this. There is no ceremonial part of the Law. There is only Law or no Law.
     
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    'Time for breakfast. I probably won't get back to this in time.
     
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    The end of Judaism was Good Friday!
     
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    Most nations prohibit animal sacrifice, & there's no temple in Israel yet for them to do it in, but they still follow the rest of the law as best they can. The observances called "feasts" in many Bible versions are actually CEREMONIES. You may read the details of them for yourself.

    Deut. 16:16“Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord your God at the place that he will choose: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, at the Feast of Weeks, and at the Feast of Booths. They shall not appear before the Lord empty-handed.

    These were CEREMONIES.
     
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    May God grant you a good breakfast!
     
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    Then you have disagreement with the writers of the NT who said it was "fading away "
     
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