The Cure for Calvinism

Ran the Man,

There is some truth to this, in that wealthy white persons usually are well read, and have the means to invest in extra books having more in the way of disposable income.
That being said, God's grace is for all persons and many non-white brethren in poor countries devour books made available to them by way of donations. Missionaries do great work in just translating scripture into the native language of the persons they minister to.

This is of course another falsehood with no foundation.

 

The thing is this kind of interaction demonstrates how sad many people are in their general understanding of biblical worldview.

 

Or lack of understanding to be more precise...

 

InTheLight

Thanks for being objective here ITL and observing the misguided nature of the post.

 

"davidtaylorjr,

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Do you struggle sometimes to both be patient and yet praying for wisdom as to how to get new people "up to speed" as quickly as possible? You and I both know that it is enough of a struggle to disciple people who have a willing spirit, much less those who oppose themselves.

 

You post this, and can't even see the irony.

I hate to break it to you, but you're the new kid on the block. @tyndale1946 , on the other hand, has been a gracious and caring member of this board for years. We've had innumerable interactions with him, and while he certainly has his beliefs, he has consistently dealt with others here with a spirit of charity and kindness.

You, on the other hand, have jumped in here to immediately begin your anti-Calvinism crusade. Your internet etiquette is sorely lacking (as are your debate skills, but that's a matter for another time). You've cluttered up the board with your rants, and then have the audacity to call a long time member a "typical smug baptist," without a care as to how ridiculous that post will seem to the other long time members.

What you need to do, if you plan on sticking around, is slow down. Reread your posts before you hit reply, and ask your self if you're bringing light or heat. If debating Calvinism vs Arminianism is your purpose here, have at it. The board even has a forum designated for that purpose.

 

Thanks for that my brother in the Lord, you don't how much that means to me... I will tell you this Ran the Man, we just lost a well respected Administrator Tom Cassidy who went to be Lord this month... If he were here I can tell you, he wouldn't have put up with your antics, and you would been long gone to find another board... We are trying to be kind to you but you are stretching our kindness... Brother Glen

 

And I can't believe I'm defending you, after you made me read Johnathan Edwards...

J/K, love you, man.

 

JonC,

I have come to find out that I do not view many of your ideas as scriptural.
You inisist on calling everything human tradition and you are welcome to do that, but I am not following you there.

Of course everyone has differences in understanding, different levels of maturity.

I believe this is wrong for sure. I was not speaking of indoctrination. I was speaking of a rapid view of what is scripture, Who is God, What is God;s Eternal Purpose being worked out in our time and since the cross.
A person being told and taught a proper biblical framework will develop a hunger for those things God wants Him to be hungry for, I have seen this work many times, and seen changes overtake whole churches.


[QUOTE]For the Christian, discipleship is an ongoing process which involves so much more than the acquisition of knowledge ([/QUOTE]
Agreed it is more than raw knowledge and random facts.

Confessional churches equip people to move forward rapidly. It is not just the fact of what the confessions teach, but the obedience of faith we are called to.
You wondered the other day if people are reading people like TED Dekker, and others... a search online suggests he is a writer , but some doubt as to if he is even a Christian. I do not find such reading helpful. You of course are more than welcome to do so.

OTE] It is a journey of growth taken with and in Christ.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.

Again I do not agree with you overall. The five points do not guarantee proper doing of the Christian life, but a person knowing that God is in total control of everything that comes to pass is going to stack up pretty well in American churches

I am going to refrain from commenting in detail as you read into my responses more than I offer, but you never really convinced anyone that you held these teaches in the mainstream. You like Leighton Flowers have not convinced anyone on that score.

okay

 

Yes, Hemmingway. By all means. Make the man who blew his brains out your life coach.

 

Ommmmm, ommmmm

 

Jon mine sounds more like this... Ommmmhhh... ... Brother Glen

 

JonC,

I agree in part....what you consider other Christian views is between you and the Lord. I do not trust your judgment.

That is fine.And yes we have larger differences than I first thought.

The value is in the interaction, not so much as who necessarily switches views.

That is nice JonC , but who says I do not realize that. This is part of what can go wrong. You seem to think you can ascribe motives, thoughts, and understandings that no one has offered, even to the meaning of a smiley emoticon, or a "funny" comment. The thing is I find your skill in this area, defective.

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I do not buy what you're selling here at all. Reformed Christians derive what they believe from scripture, that is why all Confessions and Catechisms that are worthwhile go there first.Your philosophical musings look to detract from that, so while you are welcome to them, I do not share them at all.

Yes it is. It is also to offer correction.

You evidently want to put that forward, That is your right. I have a right to think through what you post and form my own conclusions as you try and do with us.

 

Jon C;
I do not drift into philosophy. You have a right to express what you want but what is expressed is subjective as far as men are concerned. God will be the only judge of heart motives. God keeps an account of all sin, both external and heart issues.
I do not get into this cat and mouse, accusing scenarios. I will speak openly and that is what I will do with you now.
In times past I refrained from doing so, as I had no agenda, and try and give people slack.

That being said, when a person says one thing, acts one way then changes and morphs into something else...I adjust and act accordingly. When a person attacks I get it, but I will deal with it with whatever grace I can discover.

 

The problem I see first hand is the young Calvinists who are in Seminary. Many come back to their home churches with the goal or cramming Calvinism down everyone's throat. The last thing 99% of people want to do at church is debate Calvinism. The new breed of Calvinists seem to be on a crusade to conquer the SBC for Calvin. It does not annoy me that they believe what they believe,it annoys me that they don't know when to shut up about it. I respect Calvinism much more than I respect "traditionalism", but I do not respect the division and disunity the new breed of Calvinists are causing. My best friend is an older hyper Calvinist, he continually comments about how bad the "new breed" annoy him.