The Cure for Calvinism

[Rob_BW]

It does not have to equal 4. Suppose we are talking about two 3's. Then the sum is 6.

Edit: or 12....

My cardinal rule is to never do math in public.

 

[Yeshua1]

What makes you think it isn't proven? It says it right in Scripture. That is proof enough for me.



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No cure needed for biblical truth.



I disagree. I think Scripture demands that we study to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

if AL we had was Romans, or Gospel of John, would prove Calvinism in regards to Soteriology is true!

 

[JonC]

Paul was a Calvinist.



Not true. You can get it without systematics as well and use only Biblical Theology.



Are you one of these people that says we can never know 100% what Scripture means? Because that is what it sounds like.

No, you cant. Biblical theology does not span the Bible (it is limited to a book or letter and the immediate audience).

But you can try - provide a verse that states divine justice must be satisfied for God to be free to forgive man. In that same book or letter, prove sin is transferable from one person to another. Then prove (again, without reasoning it out and from the same book) that God can justly punish the Innocent once this sin is transferred.

Once that is done we can continue. The first step is to prove the foundation (the presuppositions) correct.

 

[Reformed1689]

God can justly punish the Innocent once this sin is transferred.

God can justly punish the innocent once the sin has been transferred? What heresy is this?

 

[Yeshua1]

No, you cant. Biblical theology does not span the Bible (it is limited to a book or letter and the immediate audience).

But you can try - provide a verse that states divine justice must be satisfied for God to be free to forgive man. In that same book or letter, prove sin is transferable from one person to another. Then prove (again, without reasoning it out and from the same book) that God can justly punish the Innocent once this sin is transferred.

Once that is done we can continue. The first step is to prove the foundation (the presuppositions) correct.

Where does the wrath of God towards sinners go if not on Christ or themselves?

 

[JonC]

God can justly punish the innocent once the sin has been transferred? What heresy is this?

That is what I say.

The argument has been that God transfered or imputed our sin onto Christ and God punished Christ (our sin laid on Christ) with the punishment due our sin in our place. It is an "exchange" -our sin for His righteousness. Divine justice had to be satisfied.

Anyway, this is foundational to Calvinism (and the reason I am not a Calvinist). I agree with the 5 points.

I wish you were here for those arguments. You are right - it is a heresy per Scripture.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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