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The Cure for Calvinism

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Ran the Man, Feb 26, 2019.

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  1. Rob_BW

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    My cardinal rule is to never do math in public.
     
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    if AL we had was Romans, or Gospel of John, would prove Calvinism in regards to Soteriology is true!
     
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    No, you cant. Biblical theology does not span the Bible (it is limited to a book or letter and the immediate audience).

    But you can try - provide a verse that states divine justice must be satisfied for God to be free to forgive man. In that same book or letter, prove sin is transferable from one person to another. Then prove (again, without reasoning it out and from the same book) that God can justly punish the Innocent once this sin is transferred.

    Once that is done we can continue. The first step is to prove the foundation (the presuppositions) correct.
     
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    God can justly punish the innocent once the sin has been transferred? What heresy is this?
     
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    Where does the wrath of God towards sinners go if not on Christ or themselves?
     
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    That is what I say.

    The argument has been that God transfered or imputed our sin onto Christ and God punished Christ (our sin laid on Christ) with the punishment due our sin in our place. It is an "exchange" -our sin for His righteousness. Divine justice had to be satisfied.

    Anyway, this is foundational to Calvinism (and the reason I am not a Calvinist). I agree with the 5 points.

    I wish you were here for those arguments. You are right - it is a heresy per Scripture.
     
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    This thread is closed.
     
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