Is it possible for all denominations to be partially right...?

[Adonia]

The argument can be made not all Baptist are Baptist in the same way not all professing Christians are really Christians.

Baptists cannot even agree with each other? The chaos is worse than I thought.

Just for starters: Do you or do you not believe in the Apostolic authority of the New Testament?

Of course I believe. They were inspired by God and compiled together by the successors of the Apostles, the leaders of the One Universal (Catholic) Church, which was given the authority to do such things by Jesus Christ Himself. That is the truth and reflected in the historical record.

Arguably one of the primary Baptist tenets is the Christian New Testament is the sole Apostalic authority [today]. Can you prove that tenet to be false? Not merely argue that it is false, but prove it. Please give the steps.

Sola Scriptura is a false gospel.

Step 1. The Church came before the New Testament and authority (Apostolic) resides within the Church, the Scriptures are authoritative. Jesus just did not write a book and leave it to the individual to figure things out for himself, that idea was never a part of Christianity for hundreds upon hundreds of years (over 1500 years to be exact). Real persons were needed to come up with the correct interpretation of the Scriptures, to guide the faithful.

Step 2. My proof is the historical record. It shows One Universal (Catholic) Christian Church that just about every Christian was a part of until the 11th century when the first great schism happened between the East and West. Even then, our Eastern brothers kept believing the very same things, i.e. the same sacraments, the same type of leadership with priests and Bishops, and looking to the same Early Fathers (Bishops) of the Church for guidance in the manner in which they interpreted the Holy Scriptures.

Your line of thought took another 500 to 600 years to come to fruition as the historical record also shows, brought about by renegade priests and others who then disagreed with them no less! And thus we have what we have today, hundreds if not thousands on new Christian sects each claiming that they have the real truth about the Christian way. Chaos, pure chaos within the Body of Christ.

 

[37818]

Step 1. The Church came before the New Testament . . . .

So are you arguing the Church is superior to the written word of God given to it?

 

[Scarlett O.]

Do you think it is likely that all denominations contain the fundamental teachings for salvation, and all the other details that Christians can't come to an agreement about are irrelevant? If so, do you think all the constant quarrel and division within The Body Of Christ, that has been going on since the Catholic and the Orthodox Churches separated in 1054, is displeasing to God?

I'm just going to have to be honest here.

No, not all denominations contain the fundamental teachings for salvation. If they add to it [which is usually the case], then they don't have the fundamentals for salvation and in their addition, they detract the role of Christ and his role alone. For example......

• To require baptism for salvation [believiing being dunked under saves] is to take away what Christ has done.
• To keep the law or part of the law as requirements for "keeping" salvation takes away from what Christ did.
• To add an additional personage to the role of redeemer which is exclusively Christ's role is to take away what Christ has done for us.

To take away what Christ has done for us is to teach something NONfundamental and is another gospel that is not the gospel of the Bible.

You asked if details we can't come to agreement on are irrelevant. If it is contained in God's Word, how can it be irrelevant?

Yes, quarrelling for quarrelling's sake or for the sake of proving ones self to hold all the knowledge cards is wrong.

 

[37818]

Sola Scriptura is a false gospel.

So are you arguing the written word of God taken by itself constitutes a false gospel?

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

I see what you did there. You went from "Christians" to "so-called Christians."

No. I went from many Christians that don't believe an essential truth to other so-called Christians to the Spirit in many professing Christians.

Do you work in association with other so-called Christians?

I would like to see a unification between Seventh Day Baptists, Seventh-day Millerites, Advent Christians, and Seventh-day Adventists but working towards that very desirable goal seems insurmountable because there are no Seventh Day Baptist and Advent Christian churches near me. And most Seventh-day Adventist leaders are too encased in their own self-righteousness to believe that God requires them to seek the scattered, heal the broken and also to sustain those who are standing.

 

[Adonia]

So are you arguing the written word of God taken by itself constitutes a false gospel?

No. It's the idea that the Scriptures by themselves constitute the only way we are to be instructed in the Christian way.

 

[37818]

No. It's the idea that the Scriptures by themselves constitute the only way we are to be instructed in the Christian way.

So are you arguing God speaks to individuals directly about Christ crucified and being resurrected bodily from the dead?

 

[Adonia]

So are you arguing God speaks to individuals directly about Christ crucified and being resurrected bodily from the dead?

THE CHURCH! THE CHURCH!, there is a Church that uses the Scriptures which are authoritative, they do not have authority. The CHURCH CAME BEFORE THE SCRIPTURES! The Bishop reads the scriptures and then interprets them with the authority that he has. You have read them and come up with a different interpretation. Even the eunuch needed a learned man to interpret them for him.

Traditions were established as the new Christian Church was growing BEFORE the scriptures were even available as we now know them. Things were transmitted ORALLY. Jesus never wrote anything down, all the writing down was an afterthought by others.

The Church had synods and councils to decide things, the decisions were made by real people, not the individual reading the scriptures by themselves as the Sola Scriptura believer does. The crucifixion and resurrection information was transmitted mouth to mouth, the first person who knew it happened did not write it down and disseminate it that way.

 

[37818]

. . . there is a Church that uses the Scriptures which are authoritative, . . .

That is a key point. There are no legitimate churches today without the authority of the New Testament documents. They are today our only real Apostalic authority. Not of the descent men but God to men (the Apostles and church prophets who wrote) to us today.

 

[Revmitchell]

Do you think it is likely that all denominations contain the fundamental teachings for salvation, and all the other details that Christians can't come to an agreement about are irrelevant? If so, do you think all the constant quarrel and division within The Body Of Christ, that has been going on since the Catholic and the Orthodox Churches separated in 1054, is displeasing to God?

No