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Inherited sin nature is wrong.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by loDebar, Mar 17, 2019.

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  1. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

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    Inherited sin nature, is wrong and a lie of the the devil for you to blame Adam or anyone but not take responsibility ourselves
    We are sinners, We are condemned. We are selfish. It is Biblical.But why we are this way is being misapplied.

    Choosing to sin is part of the free choice or making "bad" choices as opposed to making "good" choices at the same decision. Continually making bad or sinful decision yields to more. It easier to make those self centered choices instead of choosing not too, and to instead perhaps obey God

    What we describe as "sin nature" is the bad half of free will, or choices. If we can't choose to do good, we can't choose to do bad.

    If the devil attacks free will, he has to substitute inherited sin nature. Who can you blame if you do not take responsibility ourselves? God who made us through Adam.
    This is using mankind as a source or channel of sin when it really is the methods of salvation through the death of God as a human

    uh huh, say hey to yo mama and 'em
     
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    Nonesense. Adam was created in the image of God. Adam sinned and begat a son in his own image. His own sinful image.
     
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    The image of "elohyim is spiritual being or awareness, God does not have a body or image. Jesus was the expressed image of God

    Are all men made alive in Christ or is there a system where All man be made alive? The same with sin, the system of sin is voluntary.. We are not sinners because of Adam
     
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    Romans 5:12-21.
    The context of "death" being spiritual ( and not strictly physical ) is contrasted with life in Christ, which is first, spiritual ( John 17:3 ), and then physical.
    Adam passed on both his physical death and his spiritual separation from God...dead in sins.

    The comparing and contrasting goes on throughout the last half of the chapter.
    Death, first, is spiritual, and it's "in Adam".
    "Life", first, is spiritual, and its "in Christ".

    "For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." ( Romans 5:19 )
    To be made a sinner is to hearken back to Adam's sin, and to be made righteous is to look back at Christ's obedience, death, burial and resurrection.

    We are sinners because of Adam, and we are righteous because of Christ.
     
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    lodebar look at Romans 5:12

    Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one person sin entered the world, and through sin, death, and thus death came to all, inasmuch as all sinned--

    NOT all will sin but ALL sinned.

    All the verbs are aorist - completed action in the past - both sin and death came into the world of mankind through Adam when he sinned.

    We were ALL there when Adam sinned "all sinned".
     
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    Does it say all sinned Because of Adam? We are in the state of condemnation because of sin.

    Eze 18:19


    Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
    Eze 18:20

    The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
     
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    Physical death is not separation from God
    They are comparing how one can affect many. Are all men saved in Christ or did Jesus make a system we can voluntarily choose. Same with Sin Adam sin brought a curse on the physical, We choose sin or not

    See how this is a trick of the devil to blame Adam and thus God for our sin.

    Eze 18:19


    Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
    Eze 18:20

    The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
     
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    We inherit the knowledge of good and evil from Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:22). And it is this divine knowledge for which each of us have a sinful nature and are individually held responcible.
     
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    Knowledge is not inheritable or I would be a lot better off
     
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    these scripture speak of sins committed under the law of Moses. AFTER the adamic condemnation.
     
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    The Law shows us we cannot keep the law.. It does make us sinners. It may shows to be sinners.

    explain Adamic condemnation as the cause of sin. I only see the curse that is explained Gen 3

    I see no reference
     
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    Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    You will not see me use the term "inherited sin".

    We were all there when Adam sinned and we come into the world as actual sinners,
     
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    Hank, Jesus said sin is not physical, but spiritual. We can sin when our bodies do nothing. So how can sin be passed physically? unless you suggest my soul is from Adam, sin satire cannot be from Adam
     
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    I don't know all the mechanics/dynamics of what happened on that day that Adam sinned but Romans 5:12 states that we were all involved - therefore we come into this world condemned.

    BUT one does not have to accept the fate of being a condemned sinner.

    John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
     
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    It does not says as you suppose,. It is two separate events, Adan did sin and sin entered the "cosmos" , the world. Sin and the subsequent death enter the cosmos, as well. Men suffer death as well because men have sinned.

    The verses do say men sin in Adam. but rather All men have sinned.
    We are also judged and condemned.
     
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    You say "it is two separate events" but conclude both are simultaneously true. Make up your mind.
     
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    Rather , one is not the cause or conclusion of the other but both are true. Two separate statements that are true and because they are true then mankind suffers the results same as Adam .Since we are sinners on our own we suffer sin , then death
     
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    An apple tree is an apple tree whether it bears fruit or not.
     
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    Romans 5:12 does not say we were all there. It does not say sin is passed down. It was death that was passed. Not sin.

    We are not born condemned. Sin and death were both brought in to the world because of Adam's sin. We did not exist when this happened
    The reason we are condemned here is because of unbelief. Not believing in Christ is sin. This sin is what condemns men to hell the sin of unbelief.
    There is no way we were there when Adam sinned this just isn;t so.
    MB
     
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    Who condemned us?
     
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