Inherited sin nature is wrong.

[Calminian]

Inherited sin nature, is wrong and a lie of the the devil for you to blame Adam or anyone but not take responsibility ourselves
We are sinners, We are condemned. We are selfish. It is Biblical.But why we are this way is being misapplied.

Choosing to sin is part of the free choice or making "bad" choices as opposed to making "good" choices at the same decision. Continually making bad or sinful decision yields to more. It easier to make those self centered choices instead of choosing not too, and to instead perhaps obey God

What we describe as "sin nature" is the bad half of free will, or choices. If we can't choose to do good, we can't choose to do bad.

If the devil attacks free will, he has to substitute inherited sin nature. Who can you blame if you do not take responsibility ourselves? God who made us through Adam.
This is using mankind as a source or channel of sin when it really is the methods of salvation through the death of God as a human

uh huh, say hey to yo mama and 'em

Wow. You're repeating perhaps the oldest heresy (or one of the oldest heresies) of church history. But this is why the book of Genesis is so important.

 

[HankD]

Romans 5:12 does not say we were all there. It does not say sin is passed down. It was death that was passed. Not sin.

Both happened simultaneously.

We are not born condemned. Sin and death were both brought in to the world because of Adam's sin. We did not exist when this happened

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

The reason we are condemned here is because of unbelief. Not believing in Christ is sin. This sin is what condemns men to hell the sin of unbelief.
There is no way we were there when Adam sinned this just isn;t so.
MB

Wrong - we were ALL there. All Sinned.

Young's Literal Translation

Romans 5:12 because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;

Not all "WOULD SIN" but all "DID SIN".

 

[loDebar]

Wow. You're repeating perhaps the oldest heresy (or one of the oldest heresies) of church history. But this is why the book of Genesis is so important.

explain please

 

[loDebar]

Both happened simultaneously.




Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.




Wrong - we were ALL there. All Sinned.

Young's Literal Translation

Romans 5:12 because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;

Not all "WOULD SIN" but all "DID SIN".

yes, you think it says I sinned physically, before I was born, which is in opposition to Ezekiel and Jesus.

 

[loDebar]

Who condemned me as flesh and blood?

 

[37818]

Knowledge is not inheritable or I would be a lot better off

So am I to understand that you deny the Biblical basis of the sinful nature (Genesis 3:22)?

 

[loDebar]

So am I to understand that you deny the Biblical basis of the sinful nature (Genesis 3:22)?

You are a condemned sinner but it did not come from Adam. The physical is not capable of sin but the spiritual sins.

Jesus said you can sin in your heart when the body does nothing.

 

[MB]

Both happened simultaneously.




Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.




Wrong - we were ALL there. All Sinned.

Young's Literal Translation

Romans 5:12 because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;

Not all "WOULD SIN" but all "DID SIN".

We were not there the bible does not say that. We didn't exist. We didn't eat that fruit.In fact I could use the same arguments Calvinist use about the word "all" This must mean all Calvinist. What you are saying is contradicted by scripture. We are not held responsible for our father's sin. Adam was father of us all
Deu_24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
2Ch 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.
Yes sir it seems you would have us all pay for the sins of our fathers.
MB

 

[loDebar]

Do you care to revise and extend your remarks?

Eze 18:19

¶
Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
Eze 18:20

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him

 

[loDebar]

So am I to understand that you deny the Biblical basis of the sinful nature (Genesis 3:22)?

Yes, our current teaching blames Adam for our sin when scripture and Jesus does not
Read it for yourself.

 

[loDebar]

Who condemned Adam ?

 

[MB]

Both happened simultaneously.




Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.




Wrong - we were ALL there. All Sinned.

Young's Literal Translation

Romans 5:12 because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;

Not all "WOULD SIN" but all "DID SIN".

Must be all that existed at the time.
Ps51 is David speaking about himself. My mother was a born again Christian at the time I was conceived.
MB

 

[loDebar]

Must be all that existed at the time.
Ps51 is David speaking about himself. My mother was a born again Christian at the time I was conceived.
MB

You are a sinner , lost, despite having a good mother
Conception is not the sin, David was already a condemned sinner

 

[Revmitchell]

I don't know all the mechanics/dynamics of what happened on that day that Adam sinned but Romans 5:12 states that we were all involved - therefore we come into this world condemned.

Both happened simultaneously.




Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.




Wrong - we were ALL there. All Sinned.

Young's Literal Translation

Romans 5:12 because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;

Not all "WOULD SIN" but all "DID SIN".

So you believe all young children and babies who die go to hell?

 

[HankD]

We were not there the bible does not say that. We didn't exist. We didn't eat that fruit.In fact I could use the same arguments Calvinist use about the word "all" This must mean all Calvinist. What you are saying is contradicted by scripture. We are not held responsible for our father's sin. Adam was father of us all
Deu_24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
2Ch 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.
Yes sir it seems you would have us all pay for the sins of our fathers.
MB

Wrong.
Again, we were there sinning along with Adam when he sinned.

 

[Revmitchell]

Sigh.....if we are all guilty of Adam's sin as if we were there and did it then it would also require that all persons were immediately made right through Christ's obedience.

 

[HankD]

Must be all that existed at the time.
Ps51 is David speaking about himself. My mother was a born again Christian at the time I was conceived.
MB

It was your sin condition your condition of iniquity not hers.

 

[HankD]

So you believe all young children and babies who die go to hell?

No,

 

[Revmitchell]

No,

Then your position is inconsistent

 

[HankD]

Then your position is inconsistent

That doesn't make it wrong.