Reformed1689
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Can it be argued that Arminian theology necessitates a works-based salvation and is therefore heresy?
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Is Arminianism Heresy?
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It can be argued but I do not think a synergistic view of predestination and election rises to the level of big "H" heresy. Many Synergists (i.e. Arminians) maintain a happy inconsistency in their theology. On the one hand they believe they have the free will to accept or reject the call of the Spirit but they also believe salvation is all of God. That is an inconsistent view IMHO but I am pleased with that. It is better than the extreme side of Synergism that you find among Free Will Baptists and Wesleyans . Can Synergistic theology be big "H" heresy? When foundational doctrines of the Christian faith are denied, than yes.
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You are not the first [calvinist] to come along and post this very question on this board. It seems to be the go to question of all [calvinists].
If you think so, then go ahead and say it.
Reformed1689
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I guess it depends how you define heresy. @Reformed seems to differentiate different types of heresies (big H vs little h) if I read his post correctly.
What do you think?
Of course I don't think it is.
yes you are
You engage here in the logical fallacy known as the "black and white fallacy". It's when you present only two options as being the only two possible options available when there is in fact more. This is another characteristic of cage stage calvies.
By the way the op is an adhominem
Reformed1689
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Obviously, you don't know what ad hominem is.
You need to lookup what a cage-stage calvinist is. If I recall, last week you hadn't even heard of the term. Now you are an expert?
That being said, asking a question is not a fallacy. The question was, can it be argued.
Reformed1689
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In my opinion, unbiblical teaching of any kind is heresy so yes, Arminianism, in my opinion, is heresy.
Ok. In your eyes I am a heritic. Good thing I place absolutely no value in your opinion.
Reformed1689
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And again with personal attacks. It seems that is all you and @Revmitchell know how to do. Why do you insist on going to that level? Is it because you can't defend your position? I wonder because you both have posted several times here without actually giving a biblical defense for your position.
Sure I do. Your post is a personal attack on people who belong on this board.
sigh, I don't know what you think you recall but please, by all means show us all the post that proves this. I will wait around till you do.
I didnt say asking a question was a fallacy. You have a reading comprehension problem. I suggest you go back and actually read what I posted.
Reformed1689
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No it is not, it is an attack on Arminianism Theology. I in no way personally attacked any person on this board with the OP. You TOOK it personally because that is the IDEA that you hold. But you are dishonest if you say I attacked anything other than your idea. So no, you do not understand ad hominem.
I don't have a reading comprehension problem. I read what you wrote and responded accordingly. Again, you post another ad hominem which is obviously your only tool.
Sure, that faith equals works can and has been argued many times, it’s a rather juvenile approach, quite a stretch on the definition of faith and is typically built on the dishonesty of strawman arguments, but yep nothing new here to argue it…
Yep, you could argue it with this conclusion also, but now you’d really be showing your immaturity along with the kind of seemingly never changing offensive Calvinist nature that leads to burning their opposition at the stake.
I am not an arminian. This is another belief of cage stage calvies that one is either a calvie or and arminian. Yet another black and white fallacy.
No you didnt
Reformed1689
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You are right, I should not have assumed that. However, you acted as if I attacked you personally with this post so it was a reasonable inference. But you also point that out to avoid the point of the post that you quoted which was that I in no way gave an ad hominem attack in my OP.
That would be your incorrect opinion.
Reformed1689
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It makes your salvation based on something that you have done rather than something God does. That is works-based. It is putting the situation on man rather than God.
Yep, you could argue it with this conclusion also, but now you’d really be showing your immaturity along with the kind of seemingly never changing offensive Calvinist nature that leads to burning their opposition on the cross.
Leads to burning their opposition on the cross? Being a bit dramatic aren't we? And it is so funny how the anti-calvinists here so often throw the word "immature" around in order to belittle those against their viewpoint rather than actually supporting their viewpoint with Scripture.
Um, FYI, running around calling people heretics is against the rules on this board.
Reformed1689
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Notice I did not go and call anyone a heretic.
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