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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Steve of Brownsburg, Mar 25, 2019.

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  1. Steve of Brownsburg

    Steve of Brownsburg New Member

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    What do you think about this quote by Spurgeon on Baptist history?

    c. h. spurgeon on baptist perpetuity

    "We believe that the Baptists are the original Christians. We did not commence our existence at the reformation, we were reformers before Luther or Calvin were born; we never came from the Church of Rome, for we were never in it, but we have an unbroken line up to the apostles themselves. We have always existed from the very days of Christ, and our principles, sometimes veiled and forgotten, like a river which may travel underground for a little season, have always had honest and holy adherents. Persecuted alike by Romanists and Protestants of almost every sect, yet there has never existed a Government holding Baptist principles which persecuted others; nor I believe any body of Baptists ever held it to be right to put the consciences of others under the control of man. We have ever been ready to suffer, as our martyrologies will prove, but we are not ready to accept any help from the State, to prostitute the purity of the Bride of Christ to any alliance with the government, and we will never make the Church, although the Queen, the despot over the consciences of men". (From The New Park Street Pulpit, Vol.VII, Page 225).

    "History has hitherto been written by our enemies, who never would have kept a single fact about us upon the record if they could have helped it, and yet it leaks out every now and then that certain poor people called Anabaptists were brought up for condemnation. From the days of Henry II to those of Elizabeth we hear of certain unhappy heretics who were hated of all men for the truth's sake which was in them. We read of poor men and women, with their garments cut short, turned out into the fields to perish in the cold, and anon of others who were burnt at Newington for the crime of Anabaptism. Long before your Protestants were known of, these horrible Anabaptists, as they were unjustly called, were protesting for the 'one Lord, one faith, and one baptism.' No sooner did the visible church begin to depart from the gospel than these men arose to keep fast by the good old way. The priests and monks wished for peace and slumber, but there was always a Baptist or a Lollard tickling men's ears with holy Scriptures, and calling their attention to the errors of the times. They were a poor persecuted tribe. The halter was thought to be too good for them. At times ill-written history would have us think that they died out, so well had the wolf done his work on the sheep. Yet here we are, blessed and multiplied; and Newington sees other scenes from Sabbath to Sabbath.

    As I think of your numbers and efforts, I can only say in wonder - what a growth! As I think of the multitudes of our brethren in America, I may well say, What hath God wrought! Our history forbids discouragement." (From the Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit, 1881, Vol. 27, page 249.)
     
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  2. Reformed1689

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    Interesting
     
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    I believe that all true Baptist churches teach what the Apostles taught.
    I believe that there have always been churches that teach what the Apostles taught.
    Obviously they have not always been called Baptist.
    Sadly, many wear the name Baptist today that have strayed from that truth.
     
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    The same Spurgeon that said this, said something different in March of 1887... It was called The Down Grade Controversy... If you've never read it here is the link and it caused Spurgeon to separate himself from the church never to return... Brother Glen:)

    http://grace-ebooks.com/library/Charles Spurgeon/CHS_Downgrade Contoversy, The.PDF
     
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    The Downgrade Controversy caused Mr. Spurgeon to separate from?
     
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    I believe Baptist distinctives can be traced back to the Apostles but not Baptists as we know them today. In that way, I suppose you can say Baptist can trace their genesis to the Apostles.
     
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    From the Baptist Union.
     
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    Spurgeon separated himself and Metropolitan Tabernacle from the British Baptist Union. He left the Union, not the church.
     
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    Thank for clarifying that Squire, you're right he never left the church just the British Baptist Union... :oops:... That's what happens when you get old... Now where did I put my memory?... Brother Glen:confused:
     
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    The actual handed down Apostolic authority is the Christian New Testament - it defines the genuine Christian New Testament church and churches - also known today as Baptists.
     
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    I think some "Baptist" churches embrace Limited Atonement, while others believe Christ died for all mankind. Both cannot have "Apostolic authority."
     
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    Scripture teaches limited atonement so I'm not sure why you put Baptist in quotes.
     
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    Not on that matter. The Christian New Testament remains the Apostolic authroity despite the error.
     
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    The Bible teaches Christ died for all.. It does not nor has it ever taught limited atonement
    MB
     
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    If Christ died for the sins of every man, then why are not all saved? What did God waste Christ's sacrifice? Was Christ's sacrifice not good enough?
     
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    There is not one verse that says Christ died for every person. Not a single one.
     
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    I think I will take a shot. The bearing of proof being on you.

    Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world

    Behold the Lamb of the God, the one taking away, the sin (singular) of the world (singular).

    Are, "our sins," inclusive in, "the sin," of the world?
     
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    Well, there is the matter of interpreting the meaning of the single verses (so they may not mean what some people think they mean), but there are a few that come close. Hebrews 2:9, for example:
    ASV But we behold him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, even Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of death for every man.
    AMPC But we are able to see Jesus, Who was ranked lower than the angels for a little while, crowned with glory and honor because of His having suffered death, in order that by the grace (unmerited favor) of God [to us sinners] He might experience death for every individual person.
    BRG But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
    CSB But we do see Jesus—made lower than the angels for a short time so that by God’s grace he might taste death for everyone—crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death.
    ERV For a short time Jesus was made lower than the angels, but now we see him wearing a crown of glory and honor because he suffered and died. Because of God’s grace, Jesus died for everyone.
    ESV But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
    KJV But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
    LEB but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.
    NIV But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
    RSV But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for every one.
    YLT and him who was made some little less than messengers we see -- Jesus -- because of the suffering of the death, with glory and honour having been crowned, that by the grace of God for every one he might taste of death.
     
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    How does this say the sin of every person?
     
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    taste death for everyone. Here, “everyone” does not refer to “everyone” who ever lived without exception but must be understood in the light of the context and of the results of Jesus’ death described elsewhere in Hebrews. It refers to the “many sons” whom God brings to glory (v. 10), whom Jesus calls “brothers” (v. 11), those “of the congregation” (v. 12), “children whom God has given” to Jesus (vv. 13, 14), and “the seed of Abraham” (v. 16). Those for whom Jesus tasted death have been made holy and perfect once for all by His sacrifice (10:10, 14), their consciences cleansed from acts that lead to death (9:14), so they are freed from the fear of death (2:14, 15). By contrast, there are those (even within Christian congregations) who do not really trust the Son but subject Him to ridicule (6:6). For them, “there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment” (10:26, 27). Thus, “everyone” here includes all those (and only those) who persevere in trusting Jesus, since those who persevere are the only ones for whom Jesus “tasted death” (3:6, 14).

    R. C. Sproul, ed., The Reformation Study Bible: English Standard Version (2015 Edition) (Orlando, FL: Reformation Trust, 2015), 2199.
     
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