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I would say most SBC church members happily believe in OSAS without bothering to ever read the passages regarding it. [Edit].

 

Reformed Baptists did yes

 

Yes, but then one would be disbelieving what the scriptures state plainly to us!

 

Most SBC member believe it but cant defend it, More Independent Baptist can defend it.

 

Give me a break

 

maybe not most, but more than SBC members in general

Could be the ones I know with certain college influences

 

Did I understand you correctly? The Baptist Faith and Message, to characterize it, is the New Testment Faith and Message. So what do you mean?

 

My independent influences have been college educated teachers in strong churches that know how to present and defend the Gospel.

My SBC knowledge is that they are fewer strong Christians and more weaker ones

 

All I know about the SBC is my Grandparents were one 60 years ago... I can't tell you what they believed because I'm Old Line Sovereign Grace Primitive Baptist... Can only tell you Grandma took her Bible to church and loved to play the church piano... Brother Glen

 

Yes.
Apostates aren't "true believers",
And they do not "endure to the end".

They are, by definition, those who once embraced the faith and have fallen away.

The S.B.C. decidedly wants to be O.S.A.S...
But, the language of the BFM does not exclude those who believe that one can have truly embraced the faith and subsequently fallen into disbelief...

They are so concerned with the irrelevant "sin away your salvation" argument, that their BFM doesn't really address the apostate who doesn't "LOSE" their salvation, but rather abandons it.

Theoretically, the BFM doesn't really address that issue. One could believe in the possibility of apostasy, and also affirm the BFM simultaneously...
Because the statement that "All true believers will endure to the end" is a mere tautology....of course they do...otherwise, they aren't "believers".

A true apostate however, is one who (by definition) stops believing.
Thus, they are not "true believers"...

It's a little tricky, but the BFM is insufficiently written to exclude the possibility of true apostacy.

It was written in a post Reformation context which thinks that there are two possibilities.....
1.) Non-believers (non-elect)
2.) Believers (elect)

Thus, it sees two possible categories and addresses this issue as such....
It does not acknowledge or address:

3.) The Apostate....those who fall into disbelief.....not sin....disbelief.

What the B.F.M. does not distinguish, is the person who has truly once believed and has genuinely embraced the faith and has subsequently fallen into disbelief...Since that isn't an accepted Post-Reformation Category, it has abandoned it.

This is why to David Taylor simply the statement in post 2 seemed sufficient for him he bolded:

ALL TRUE BELIEVERS ENDURE TO THE END.

For someone like him, that actually says it all....it doesn't...but he thinks it does, that is true for the BFM in general.


The B.F.M. isn't really written to address it, because it doesn't accept that as a category of person.
Christian History does, and I,M.O...the bible clearly does...but the B.F.M. isn't overly concerned with the Bible but, rather Theological Systems, as are the bulk of all Post-Reformation Theologians, and thus, it doesn't even recognize that category.

 

My experience has been quite different. Most SBC people I've spoken to, which I must admit is not every Southern Baptist, can barely repeat John 3:16, much less the basis for OSAS.

Although some have a Calvinistic interpretation which you have repeated, far more have an interpretation similar to

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 NLT
I can hardly believe the report about the sexual immorality going on among you—something that even pagans don’t do. I am told that a man in your church is living in sin with his stepmother. [2] You are so proud of yourselves, but you should be mourning in sorrow and shame. And you should remove this man from your fellowship. [3] Even though I am not with you in person, I am with you in the Spirit. And as though I were there, I have already passed judgment on this man [4] in the name of the Lord Jesus. You must call a meeting of the church. I will be present with you in spirit, and so will the power of our Lord Jesus. [5] Then you must throw this man out and hand him over to Satan so that his sinful nature will be destroyed and he himself will be saved on the day the Lord returns.

I've seen a sort of Universalism appear and permeate the SBC communities I've visited that anyone who says "I believe in Jesus." and doesn't rock the boat is considered to be going to heaven regardless of their behavior.

Yes, it's not the OSAS that is written on the usually (in my area) photocopied covenants, but it is the OSAS practiced.

Sorry about being so negative due to my own discouragement in having to deal with a certain groups of SBC people daily.

 

I know from the SEA fb page that many pastors in the sbc do not hold to osas

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What page is that?

 

Soceity of evangelical arminians.

No more doubts

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I don't know what you mean by many but if there are any they are a minority so small they couldn't add up to a percentage.