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SovereignGrace

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I just found out this evening this event happening a few days ago.

A Brother I think the world of was preaching at a FWB church. He preached on baptism and that no one is truly saved until they are baptized. IOW, if they say they are saved and something happens they die before being baptized, they would go to hell. He is also a Baptist.

So, if you were Pastor of that church, would you have stopped him mid-sermon and told him Church of Christ teachings are not allowed or would you say nothing? Or wait until after church and tell him he'll never preach there again?

Thoughts? Ideas? 'pinions?
 
SovereignGrace

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Squire Robertsson said:
Stop him in a New York minute.
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Sadly, there are quite a few Baptists around here who hold to the view that if ppl aren't baptized, they aren't saved. There are some United Baptists who hold to this view. And there are a few in the Old Regular Baptists(not that many but I know some) who hold to this teaching as well.

They need to become CoC if they are going to teach their doctrine. :(
 
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AFAIK, no one said anything at the meeting. I heard about this from second hand talk. But the one who told me this wouldn't lie on a stack of bibles for anything.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
Sadly, there are quite a few Baptists around here who hold to the view that if ppl aren't baptized, they aren't saved. There are some United Baptists who hold to this view. And there are a few in the Old Regular Baptists(not that many but I know some) who hold to this teaching as well.

They need to become CoC if they are going to teach their doctrine. :(
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Old Union once told me (early on in my discipleship) that Bible falsehoods are met with severely like stoping a sermon and ushering an elder off the pulpit.
 
Earth Wind and Fire

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SovereignGrace said:
I just found out this evening this event happening a few days ago.

A Brother I think the world of was preaching at a FWB church. He preached on baptism and that no one is truly saved until they are baptized. IOW, if they say they are saved and something happens they die before being baptized, they would go to hell. He is also a Baptist.

So, if you were Pastor of that church, would you have stopped him mid-sermon and told him Church of Christ teachings are not allowed or would you say nothing? Or wait until after church and tell him he'll never preach there again?

Thoughts? Ideas? 'pinions?
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Further I would be up there saying the guy is in error. No one is truly saved until they are regenerated and baptism is merely an ordinance. Use scripture.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
Sadly, there are quite a few Baptists around here who hold to the view that if ppl aren't baptized, they aren't saved. There are some United Baptists who hold to this view. And there are a few in the Old Regular Baptists(not that many but I know some) who hold to this teaching as well.

They need to become CoC if they are going to teach their doctrine. :(
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"Restoration Movement" redux. Ecclesiastes 1:9-10
 
SovereignGrace

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rlvaughn said:
Definitely egregious enough to stop him.

What brand of Baptist is he? Any noticeable Campbellite leaning previously?
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He’s a United Baptist. However, that belief is in some of those churches. If they hold to this belief, they need to get out of the Baptists altogether. That’s not a Baptist teaching.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
He’s a United Baptist. However, that belief is in some of those churches. If they hold to this belief, they need to get out of the Baptists altogether. That’s not a Baptist teaching.
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I knew there were some versions of United Baptists up in there that hold falling from grace, but I would have never suspected any preaching baptismal regeneration!
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No Campbellite teachings before this.
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The followers of Campbell made a lot of inroads among Baptists in the mid-1800s, but most of those who accepted such found themselves outside the Baptist camp. Perhaps some things may have remained sort of vague and undercover for years in isolated places? Then again, might just be something newly picked up.
 
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rlvaughn said:
I knew there were some versions of United Baptists up in there that hold falling from grace, but I would have never suspected any preaching baptismal regeneration!

The followers of Campbell made a lot of inroads among Baptists in the mid-1800s, but most of those who accepted such found themselves outside the Baptist camp. Perhaps some things may have remained sort of vague and undercover for years in isolated places? Then again, might just be something newly picked up.
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I want to relate a story I heard about one of our well known Elder that made a mistake in the pulpit and how it was handled... Elder Cayce was invited to speak at a sister church of our same belief... Now the well known respected preacher among our people went into the stand and to make a long story short read the congregation the riot act of what PB's believe... There were many visitors who were not PB's and the young minister who invited him was shocked but he waited till he was finished

It was reported that this young minister took this well known Elder aside and explained to him what he had done and he did not appreciate it as their were visitors who did not believe as we did... Now this well known respected minister Elder Cayce, could have said well you young upstart do you know who I am and how long I have been preaching, how dare you question my preaching?

This is what Elder Cayce did... He ate some humble pie... That evening he went forward in the pulpit and apologized to the congregation that he had offended, he made a mistake, he blew it and he knew it and he the godly preacher he was corrected it... He took counsel from a younger preacher and thought more of his Lord and his people than he did himself... How many preachers on here would do that?... SG I believe may be a little counseling would be in order on the side for the one invited to preach... Did the Pastor know what he believed before he invited him?... If he was in error shouldn't he be allowed to correct the error, if proper counseling is given and he can address an apology, if he so desires?

Now I will relate to one I know because I was there... An old minister of ours one Sunday got up in the stand and started preaching on Universal Salvation... PB's I can tell you, do not believe in Universal Salvation and although we were squirming in our seats, we let him finish... After the service we were to learn after much talking with him, he was terrified that his grand daughter would not be in Heaven... We assure him that she is safe as we all are because we are all in the Lord hands... He was satisfied with the answer and never thought another thing about it or brought it up again... How you handle erring Elders in your church is your business but I would do it tenderly and lovingly because others may not understand and walk out... To me a New York minute is after the preaching is over, unless the preacher goes ranting and raving in the pulpit... Then you won't need to remove him as the congregation is already headed out exit:eek:... Brother Glen:)
 
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And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. Matt 20:21-23 KJV

I do have a question or two.

Is that above the same baptism? Must we be baptized, as Christ was baptized, Aorist, in order to be saved? Brings to mind Mark 16:16 ***

BTW the baptism above was some time after the water baptism of Christ, if I understand correctly.
 
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". . . He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. . . ." -- Mark 16:16. The statement is true. The fact is, that passage does not teach baptism is a requirement in order to be saved.

". . . For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? . . ." -- Romans 10:13-14 . . . .
This statement is true. The fact is, this passage also does not teach prayer to be a requirement in order to be saved.

". . . That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. . . ." -- Romans 10:9.
This statement is true. Again, the fact is, this passage does not teach confression with the mouth that Jesus is Lord is a requirement in order to be saved.

These are three primary promises of salvation which include a work of faith. A work of faith is never a requirment in order to be saved. These three promises also, in fact, do not actually deny salvation by God's grace alone through faith alone in God's Christ alone. They do not.
 
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percho said:
And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. Matt 20:21-23 KJV

I do have a question or two.

Is that above the same baptism? Must we be baptized, as Christ was baptized, Aorist, in order to be saved? Brings to mind Mark 16:16 ***

BTW the baptism above was some time after the water baptism of Christ, if I understand correctly.
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The interpretation is that baptism Jesus spoke of there was His phyical death. This has long been my understanding of that text.
 
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