Featured 4 of Satan’s biggest lies to born-again believers

Oh brother

 

Mitch... You and me both.. My thoughts exactly!... Brother Glen

 

You do not have a job here. Your self designated purpose in being here is primary in why your posts have no credibility. You seem to misunderstand this.

 

God's promise:


I, [even] I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins." ( Isaiah 43:25 )

" As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us." ( Psalms 103:12 ).

" [saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." ( Romans 4:7 ).

"who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification." ( Romans 4:25 )


" And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 [and] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it." ( Colossians 2:10-15 ).

This one here, should prompt anyone who is looking, for the definition of "sins", "old sins", "iniquities", etc.
All trespasses means all trespasses.


" For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." ( Hebrews 8:12 )

God's promise:

"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." (Romans 5:9 )

" But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 to declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." ( Romans 3:21-26 ).


" For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." ( Romans 1:16-17 )


"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." ( Romans 6:18 )

God's promise:

" And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." ( 1 Corinthians 6:11 ) <----- "Sanctified" means, "made holy".

" Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?" ( 2 Corinthians 6:14 ) <----- Declared righteous.

"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. " ( Ephesians 5:25-27 )

" For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." ( Hebrews 10:14 ) <---- "Made holy".

God's Promise:

See the book of John:

John 3:16, John 3:36, John 5:24, John 6:37-40, John 10:28-29, John 11:25-26.

" For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." ( Ephesians 2:8-10 ).

 

I've read them, Samuels.
As I indicated in the other thread, this is not the first time I've interacted with people who believe in loss of salvation.

To be more direct,

I tried to convince them that salvation was a gift, not a reward for good behavior...
It seemed none of them were willing to listen.

They were unable to grasp that if salvation was dependent upon the efforts of men, in any way, shape or form, then it is a work of men... not a work of God.
It is either all of grace, or it gets poluuted by the efforts of sinful men.
It is works if it depends upon some effort of men to "seal the deal" ( Romans 11:5-6 ).

Finally, Christ either paid for all sins when He went to the cross, or only some of them.

I believe them, in their proper contexts.

I know.

 

I agree.

Once again, I will tell you that I have already reconciled them.
But, since you claim to believe on Christ ( at least I assume that you do, or you wouldn't be here on this forum ), you also have it within yourself to do the exact, same things that I did in order to reconcile them so that they all work together, instead of being opposed to one another and rendering themselves other than what they say at face value.

But one thing I will not do, is give you some sort of "secret method", or my own "way" of doing it.
It's not mine to give.
It's yours to figure out.

Samuels, there aren't "two sides" to the argument, and there is no such thing as "OSAS".
But there is such a thing as "Once Born-Again, Always Born-Again."

No man or woman that I know is more powerful than the Lord ( John 10:28-29 ), and can break His sealing of someone ( Ephesians 1:13-14 ), which is stated to be the "earnest", or down-payment until the redemption of the purchased possession....the believer.
No man can walk away from a God who loves them, and gave Himself for them.

Firstly, He will not let them.
Secondly, they will not let themselves.
Their hearts are now forever changed, and they cannot undo the miraculous work that their Saviour has done...and one that only He could have done.

To God's children, He is a friend that sticks closer than a brother.
To His enemies, He is a wall that cannot be overcome, and a Judge whose face will always be against them.
There is no "in between".

Mankind is of one of two groups...the children of God, or the children of the devil.
The lost and the saved;
"Goats" and "sheep".
"Lively stones" and dead hearts and minds.
The righteous, and the wicked.
Those that are justified by the blood of His Son, and those who try to justify themselves in His sight, by their own works.

Just because you may think that a person can walk away from Him, does not negate the fact that He said that He would never leave them, nor forsake them ( Hebrews 13:5 ).
What that would resemble, if it were true, would be me failing to obey Him, and Him running after me beging me to return to Him...
and ultimately being cast into Hell for failing to walk the narrow path.


That narrow path is not something the believer walks in, by the imperfect strength of their wicked flesh, but by the perfect strength of their Friend's perfect, indwelling Spirit...
Which cannot fail to finish God's work in them ( Philippians 1:6 ).

 

You've missed the most important ones...
Christ's promises to His sheep.

I'm not.

Yes, I agree that the letter to the Ephesians was written to born again believers.

There are faithful ones and "unfaithful" ones.
"Wheat", and "tares" ( Matthew 13 ).
False brethren, who are the children of the devil, and true ones, who are the children of God.
False teachers ( 2 Peter 2 ) who go back to their wallowing in the mire, and true teachers, who do not.

 

No He will not.

A) They love Him.
B) Christ will lose none of the ones His Father has given Him.

To mess things up, and then to rescue us from those messes.

Spoken to a people who had a bad history of not listening to Him.
The warnings are no less real, but since salvation cannot be lost, the understanding of those warnings is taking into account both believers and "believers".

I once thought so, until I continued my studies and over time, the answers began to coalesce.
The solution I arrived at, was with respect to what I have revealed.

There are false believers, "tares", sown in among the field of Christ's "wheat"...
Pharisees and publicans.
People who think they are believers, because of something they have done for God.
Christ's sheep are people who are believers, because of what He has done for them.

It all makes perfect sense to me, once the false "Christians", who are trying to get out of Hell by their own efforts at being holy and "believing", are factored in.
It also makes perfect sense in the light of this:

" not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. " ( Titus 3:5-7 )



I wish you well, sir.

 

Sorry, friend, but that sounds like you believe in an insufficient atonement and a works based gospel.

Christ's atonement, when applied to the believer, forgives sin, past, present, and future. We are also adopted as children of God when we are born again. If Christ's atonement does not mean all our sins are forgiven, then how can you not believe God abandons His children when we sin?

Are you Catholic, by any chance?

 

I agree.

Those that practice righteousness are born again, and cleansed by the blood of His son.
They are indwelt with His Spirit who they walk in the power of, so that they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh ( Galatians 5:16-17 ).

I agree.
To me, your way of thinking is no different than anyone else I know, who holds to loss of salvation.

Those aren't born again Christians that He's talking to in Matthew 7:21-23;

They are people who thought they were, because they did what they thought was "required".
Christ knows His own, which you agree to in this quote:

"Goats" do not follow the Shepherd of the sheep.
He does not know, personally, the devil's children... those that have "believed", but not truly believed.
They don't follow Him, and they never will, because they hate Him ( John 3:19-20, John 15:18 ).

On Judgment Day,
He will not tell those that He knows and loves, "I never knew you".
He will tell them, " ...Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: " ( Matthew 25:34 )

 

I think he may be asking you that, because the Roman Catholic Church ( among other denominations ) views sins in two categories..."mortal" and "venial", while God does not.
Sins of "commission" and sins of "omission".
Sins that lead to eternal death, and sins that do not.

They also believe that "maintaining a clean slate" with respect to confessed sins is the opposite of "falling from grace".
That is why it is so important for devout Catholics to go to confession...
Because they are very concerned about their "state of grace".

In addition, they view salvation as a cooperative effort between man and God, and their every effort is geared towards escaping Hell...
Not as an operative effort by God to a sinner, which consists of obedience out of a love for saving them and involves a personal, spirit-to-spirit relationship with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ.

To them, Jesus Christ is not their "personal" Saviour...or so I've gathered from most of the Catholics I have known, including many family members.
He is their Judge, and Mary makes intercession between the believer and Christ, and Jesus then acts as the Mediator between them and God the Father...

Mary is the object of love, for many.

 

I am. Are you Catholic?