Alan Gross
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Have you ever known a Baptist Preacher that Preaches, 'Jesus is Coming and that is The End of The World', besides Jesus?
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Have you ever known a Baptist Preacher?
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Yes. Christ is the culmination of human history.
Jesus returns and then “heaven/kingsom”
Jesus returns and then “heaven/kingsom”
Alan Gross
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"Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power" I Corinthians 15:24.
Judgment of the lost.
Separation of the sheep and the goats.
New Heaven and New Earth?
Could happen today?
That's what I see everywhere I look in The Bible!!!
Judgment of the lost.
Separation of the sheep and the goats.
New Heaven and New Earth?
Could happen today?
That's what I see everywhere I look in The Bible!!!
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I guess the best interpretation I heard was from my Dad, who was a godly Christian man and when books on the last days as they are now selling to the hungry masses were flying off the shelves, he said well someone is making a lot of money... So I asked him who also believed that Jesus could come any minute... Dad when are the last days?... Dad like me now believed that when Christ comes again to take his children home we are going to reign with him, he is not coming down to reign with us... Dad said when I breathe my last, that is my last day... To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord... So when I close my eyes in death, I shall wake up in glory... So to my understanding my Dad and TC are now in glory... We are never told what they are doing up there but they are in the presence of God... Now when are the last days of the last days?... I don't know Christ could come in my lifetime or not but I know my last day is coming... I'm 73!...
... Oh well, I'll just wait until my change come!... Brother Glen
Alan Gross
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Sequence? in Revelation?
Like Revelation Chapter 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,...etc.,.. like that?.. to Chapter 22?,
With 'Sequences' of events, more or less, flowing from Chapter to Chapter?
Please, tell me, "no".
Alan Gross
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Is there a book or something you know of, off hand?
I've probably read a dozen sensational/doomsday type books on prophecy in my lifetime, I don't think you'd care for my reading preference in eschatology now. But if you're looking for a recommendation check this one out:
Behind the Veil of Moses
He delves deep into the motifs, types, similes, allegories, etc. in the scriptures. Reminds me of Pink.
Alan Gross
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Yes, I'm talking about any writing or audio, in an internet post or blog or a book or YouTube video that speaks of the doomsday for Satan and the lost of the Human Race, with no second chance and no future people or anything on this Earth that Preaches, 'Jesus is Coming and that is The End of The World', like Jesus does.
Did Pink read Revelation straight through, in a line from Chapter to Chapter, and work on a 'sequence' of 'events', like agedman?
I'll check it out, with the other one.
Did Pink read Revelation straight through, in a line from Chapter to Chapter, and work on a 'sequence' of 'events', like agedman?
I'll check it out, with the other one.
Alan Gross
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Looks like *Behind the Veil of Moses", would go with most all of these statements*
*please don't make me believe any of these things listed.
- All Bible Prophecy was Fulfilled By AD70
- Atonement Incomplete at Cross ; Complete at AD70
- The Supernatural Power of Evil Ended in AD70
- The Spirit of Antichrist was Destroyed in AD70
- "The Consummation of the Ages" Came in AD70
- "The Millennium" is in the Past, From AD30 to AD70
- Nothing to be Resurrected From in Post AD70 World ; Hades Destroyed
- The Christian Age Began in AD70 ; Earth Will Never End
- "The Day of the Lord" was Israel's Destruction ending in AD70
- The "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ Took Place in AD70-ish
- The Great Judgment took place in AD70 ; No Future Judgment
- The Law, Death, Sin, Devil, Hades, etc. Utterly Defeated in AD70
- "The Resurrection" of the Dead and Living is Past, Having Taken Place in AD70
- The Context of the Entire Bible is Pre-AD70 ; Not Written To Post AD70 World
- Baptism was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)
- The Lord's Prayer was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)
- The Lord's Supper was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)
- The Holy Spirit's Paraclete Work Ceased in AD70 (Cessationism)
- The Consummation in AD70 Caused Church Offices to Cease (Cessationism)
- The Resurrection in AD70 Changed the "Constitutional Principle" of Marriage (Noyesism)
- Israel and Humanity Delivered into Ultimate Liberty in AD70 (TransmillennialismTM)
- The Judgment in AD70 Reconciled All of Mankind to God ; All Saved (Preterist Universalism)
- Adam's Sin No Longer Imputed in Post AD70 World ; No Need to be Born Again (Preterist Universalism)
- When Jesus Delivered the Kingdom to the Father in AD70, He Ceased Being The Intermediary (Pantelism/Comprehensive Grace?)
- The Book of Genesis is an Apocalypse; is About Creation of First Covenant Man, not First Historical Man (Covenantal Preterism)
*please don't make me believe any of these things listed.
Shouldn't you have provided a link for all this? Or is this YOUR writing?
Alan Gross
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Tony Warren seems to be a 'Bible Believer', in some of the purest forum that you could say that.
If he is 'Reform' - something, then he missed Church Truth.
It's amazing how well some of the people in the Kingdom can get the Kingdom very well, compared to many who know Church Truth that just completely blow Jesus' Coming, as much as they do John 8, as if people who have been charged with adultery, have 'No Savior'.
Those listed at Tony Warren's link at the top are 'scribes', as Jesus Designates 'a scribe'.
Ever hear of it?
The remainder of the page is a hodge-podge.
If there are those of any stripe that have the view of Matthew 24 that I posted here some, I want to know.
Yes, those on Tony Warren's link see the doomsday for Satan and the lost of the Human Race, with no second chance and no future people or anything on this Earth that Preach, 'Jesus is Coming and that is The End of The World', like Jesus does.
And others don't, for that very simple reason.
Satan doesn't want them to see his Doom.
That's it.
Or, that Jesus is Coming and there is no hope for Salvation after He Comes in Judgment.
Flee The Wrath of God to Come.
If any man have a ear to hear.
The flesh ain't Goin a get it.
Satan gets God-Called Baptist Preachers to Preach that 'God needs a bunch of lost people and especially an entire lost Nation full of Jews, when Jesus Returns, SO DON'T BOTHER WITH GETTING THE GOSPEL TO MUCH OF ANYBODY, SPECIFICALLY THE NATION OF ISRAEL.'
THEY'LL JUST BE "LEFT BEHIND".
WEEEEE. ISN'T THAT SATANICALLY ENTERTAINING?
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Alan Gross
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Yes. I try to, always; & this one was left hanging.
The motion taken to save it to my desktop didn't do you all any good.
Hyper Preterism Study Archive - A Collection of Books and Articles Presenting the Hyper and Full Preterist Views
Brian L. Martin : Behind the Veil of Moses (2004) Free Online Books @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterism and Preterist Eschatology
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I guess the best interpretation I heard was from my Dad, who was a godly Christian man and when books on the last days as they are now selling to the hungry masses were flying off the shelves, he said well someone is making a lot of money... So I asked him who also believed that Jesus could come any minute... Dad when are the last days?... Dad like me now believed that when Christ comes again to take his children home we are going to reign with him, he is not coming down to reign with us... Dad said when I breathe my last, that is my last day... To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord... So when I close my eyes in death, I shall wake up in glory... So to my understanding my Dad and TC are now in glory... We are never told what they are doing up there but they are in the presence of God... Now when are the last days of the last days?... I don't know Christ could come in my lifetime or not but I know my last day is coming... I'm 73!...
Certainly, when we cross over we are immediately with the Lord.
When Paul described to the Thessalonians the teaching the English uses the word “then.”
The “then” does not carry immediacy.
The dead in Christ rise. When we die there is no soul sleep, no waiting on that “new creation.” We believers are complete, in Him, and clothed in that He provides. The believers who are with Him return “then we which are alive and remain...”.
Your dad, TC, and multitude of others are already with Him, “then” we who are still alive and remain at His coming, we will join them.
There is no reign as promised in Revelation 19 in the new heaven and earth, for there is no decree of such. But such will take place, just as the statements are recorded.
What John saw when hearing the voice that sounded as a trumpet (opening verses of Revelation), all on earth will see, just as chapter 19 to the end of Revelation declare.