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Revelation 12 - a Verse by Verse, and even phrase by phrase study

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  1. OfLivingWaters

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    According to you. As you too are partial to his views.

    You see what you want to see. That is up to you . C'est la vie. I disagree based on the things I already posted. REV. is prophecy not a RECAP of what was and already happened, or what was going on with the church in John's time. "To let His servants know what must soon come to past" HELLO is anybody home?

    That is ONE OBVIOUS thing pointed out. But you will still choose your partiality over that FACT which I pointed out. And as with all things concerning time , it is relative. And " soon" , is clearly from God's perspective, " we can be sure it is not meaning WHAT IS HAPPENING in real time when John wrote down what was shown to him ,but what is SOOOOON to happen . GET THE PICTURE?

    "These are few days among the days of eternity" . So as I said soon is relative . And clearly, if it is Prophecy - THE BOOK OF REVELATION of what is to soon come to pass, then your man is WRONG using prophecy of what must soon come to past, to explain what was happening to the church IN REAL time, during John's time. GET The picture?

    FIRST LIE FROM YOUR man. POINT made and CHECK MATE. You know FACT CHECKING- Testing, reading using discernment.
     
  2. 3rdAngel

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    Sorry brother the point of my posts is simply to ask why you disagree with the scriptures provided in the OP. So far you have not shown why you disagree but simply say you disagree with the scriptures provided without showing why you disagree. All I see here are your words denying God's Word.

    Do you have any scripture to share to show why you disagree with the scriptures provided in the OP? If you do not why do you not believe Gods Word? Sorry I am still trying to understand your position. It seems you are trying to argue simply for the sake of making an argument without showing why you are in disagreement or prove your claims that the OP is in error as you have not provided any scripture support for your position to show why you are in disagreement with the OP.

    Posted in all love brober, just saying something is not true does not make it so because you say so. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29
     
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    PS. We either have God's Word to support our views or we do not and it is the Word of God we should believe and follow.
     
  4. OfLivingWaters

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    No kidding. Point made!
     
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    Well so far I am not sure of the points your making as you have not been able to make your case through the scriptures. If you can, I will look forward to hearing what you have to say.
     
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    REALLY?
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    With scripture I already proved him to be lying, you just are not hearing what you want to hear.
     
  7. Walter

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    Fwiw, the brother is a sister
     
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    Thank you LOL!:Laugh
     
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    No you didn't you simply called the brother of the OP names, calling him a liar when he was only posting scripture without showing that anything he has provided was not biblical. Your best off in my view addressing the post and showing why you disagree with it rather than calling people names. If you show why you do not believe the scriptures provided than your better off believing the scriptures that support the OP. If what the brother is sharing is not true it will come to nothing and is something you do not need to worry about. If we deny God's Word in place of our own we may find ourselves fighting against God who owns the very Words we deny. You do not want to find yourself in that position Just a thought.

    God bless sister.
     
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    This was already addressed here, in some detail, though more can always be stated from scripture:

    For instance, God states in Ecclesiastes 1:9, 3:15 and elsewhere (Matthew 24:37-38; Luke 17:26-30), that history repeats. History, in scripture is used to demonstrate, by type, or by repetition, that which is coming (future), notice:

    Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

    1. The thing that hath been (past)
    2. it is that which shall be (future)
    3. and that which is done (present)
    4. is that which shall be done (future)
    5. and there is no new thing under the sun. (cycle)​

    Ecc 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

    1. That which hath been (past)
    2. is now (present)
    3. and that which is to be (future)
    4. hath already been (past)
    5. God requireth that which is past. (cycle)
    Past (history), being the type for later repetition.

    As the days of Noe were .. so also ... be ...
    also as it was in the days of Lot ... even thus shall it be ...​

    Revelation, as shown, is given in the same way.

    As Babylon of old in the natural, so then the Babylon of the new in the spiritual, see 1 Corinthians 15:44-46, first the natural, followed by the spiritual. Just as in Genesis, first the physical lamb in type, later the spiritual Lamb (Jesus, Behold the Lamb of God ...) in reality.

    In fact, the entire history of Jesus is the reality of those things of the past, such as a child under death decree (as Moses), going into Egypt, coming out of Egypt, going through the waters of Baptism (like waters of the Rea Sea, 1 Cor. 10), Holy Ghost, teaching about God's Law expanded in Matthew 5 (as Moses likewise did).

    Revelation is a revealing of Jesus Christ, and all things concerning Him, Revelation 1:1. This would include the past, being about His birth, even life, death, burial, resurrection and ascension, Rev. 12:2,5. There are a lot of things that were future from John's day in Revelation, but not all. Thus my previous demonstration by the texts (past, present, future), hast seen, which are, and things which shall be hereafter, also was, is and is to come, etc. In fact, Revelation 1:1-20, though 'present' to John at the time, are now as the past unto us, and yet since history repeats, see how that which was past in certain areas, can also detail the future.

    That prophecy is sometimes in regards the future, that does not mean that the past or even present (at the time) is not also present. In Daniel, Babylon is mentioned in the prophecies, and it was then present with Daniel (Thou art this head of Gold (present tense)), but also included future events yet to come upon it.

    In Isaiah 46:9-10, we see God saying:

    Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

    Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

    Notice, the entire connection of history, from Alpha to Omega, Beginning unto Ending, from First to the Last, from Author to Finisher, from the 7th day of Creation unto the (2nd) Advent.

    Using Daniel 11 as a template, it can be demonstrated that History has repeated at least 3 times, using the same verses - Link

    Jesus, in a special prophecy, even used the past events (history) of Jonah to speak about the future, but those events were linked to the historical account that already took place (Matthew 12:40).
     
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    You may let it be brother, for it is written:

    Mat_10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

    The LORD is my shield, my defense, my advocate, but I also appreciate your input.
     
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    Alofa Atu Well-Known Member

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    Could you specifically define 'over lengthy' for the entire board and population of the world (as you did say 'no one').

    Also, every post in this thread, is within the length of the board's standard and limit, and not one post has violated such limits. If you think that the board standard and limit is too much, perhaps you should let the Administration know about your private concern, and you might recommend to them the CAF (Catholic Answer Forums) policy of about 3,000 letters, and removal of colour, etc, so that this forum may be in more harmony with its doctrines and political leanings.

    Just a suggestion.
     
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    How does the Bible define hypocrisy?

    Public school teacher promoting homosexuality, the end of police and our judicial system

    Public school teacher promoting homosexuality, the end of police and our judicial system

    Trump Mocked For Claim He Broke Elton John's Attendance Record. Fire Marshal: Trump Was Right.

    A clear tie between making mass shooting threat and a video game

    Thank you President Trump.....Obama

    PS, are those threads even about the Bible, at all? Helping men to salvation, exegeting texts of scripture, talking about Jesus Christ the Way, bringing enlightenment to those in darkness or is it rather similar to the work of the zealots in Christ's day, more concerned with political maneuvering under the guise of religion? Let me know what you think, but keep it short, just a word or two, since you stated that no one, not even yourself, likes overly lengthy posts, and no pictures please by your own reasoning in that they are not helpful or in any way furthering the conversation and are just a waste of bandwidth.

    The word of God says, "... Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, ..."
     
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    MICHAEL IS NOT JESUS ! !
     
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    John Gill (Baptist) disagrees with you.

    "... 2. Another prophecy in Dan. XII. 1-3. respects the sound and personal coming of Christ; for his is meant by Michael, who is as God, as his name signifies, equal to him; the great prince, the prince of the kings of the earth, and the head of all principalities and powers ..." [Volume II. Book IV. Of the Second Coming of Christ; Page 395] - A Complete Body of Doctrinal and Practical Divinity

    "... for as for Michael, the Archangel, he seems to be no other than Christ. ..." [Book III. Of the Internal Works of God; Of the Creation of Angels; Page 182] - https://archive.org/stream/completebodyofdo00gill#page/182/mode

    "... [A Body Of Doctrinal Divinity; Book III. Chapter 2. Of The Creation Of Angels] for as for Michael, the Archangel, he seems to be no other than Christ, the Prince of angels, and Head of all principality and power; who is as God, like unto him, as his name signifies; yea, equal with him. … and the "Watchers", in Nebuchadnezzar's dream, thought to be angels by many, more probably are the divine Persons in the Godhead, the same with the Holy Ones, and the most High (Dan. 4:17,24). ... The more common name given to these celestial spirits, is that of angels; the word for which in the Hebrew language, and which is used of them in the Old Testament, signifies "messengers"; and so the uncreated Angel, Christ, is called the Angel, or Messenger of the covenant (Mal 3:1), and it comes from a root, preserved in the Ethiopic dialect, which signifies to "send," [2] because these spirits have been often sent with messages and dispatches to the children of men: the word "angels" we use, comes from a Greek word, [3] which signifies the same; and are so called, from their being sent on, and bringing messages, which they declare, publish, and proclaim. …

    … [2] dal “legavit, misit nuncium”, Ludolf. Lexic. Ethiop. p. 19. vid. Hottinger. Smegma Oriental. l. 1. c. 5. p. 88.

    [3] aggellw “nuntio, nuntium affero”, Scapula." [A Body Of Doctrinal Divinity; Book III. Chapter 2. Of The Creation Of Angels] - Doctrinal Divinity - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

    Doctrinal Divinity

    http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/Doctrinal Divinity/Book 3/book3 02.htm

    Daniel 12:1:

    "And at that time shall Michael stand up, &c. The Archangel, who has all the angels of heaven under him, and at his command, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ; who is as God, as the name signifies, truly and really God, and equal in nature, power, and glory, to his divine Father. ..." [John Gill's Exposition Of The Bible; Daniel 12:1] - Daniel 12 Bible Commentary - John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible

    Jude 9:


    "Yet Michael the archangel, &c. By whom is meant, not a created angel, but an eternal one, the Lord Jesus Christ; as appears from his name Michael, which signifies, "who is as God": and who is as God, or like unto him, but the Son of God, who is equal with God? and from his character as the archangel, or Prince of angels, for Christ is the head of all principality and power; and from what is elsewhere said of Michael, as that he is the great Prince, and on the side of the people of God, and to have angels under him, and at his command, Dan. 10:21, 12:1; Revelation 12:7. So Philo the Jew {o} calls the most ancient Word, firstborn of God, the archangel. ..." [John Gill's Exposition Of The Bible; Jude verse 9] - Jude 1 Bible Commentary - John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible

    Revelation 12:7:


    "Michael and his angels fought against the dragon: by whom is meant not a created angel, with whom his name does not agree, it signifying "who is as God"; nor does it appear that there is anyone created angel that presides over the rest, and has them at his command. ..." [John Gill's Exposition Of The Bible; Revelation 12:7] - Revelation 12 Bible Commentary - John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible
     

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    In fact, many learned and godly men and women, from all over history, who have deeply and prayerfully studied their Bible, and even translated Bibles, wrote lexicons, dictionaries, studied many languages, disagree with you. The ones who agree with you is the Roman Catholic Church, hence the point of my previous comment on the subject of this forum.

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    Melito of Sardis (wrote AD 165 – AD 175, died c. AD 180 – Jesus is “among the angels, archangel”

    Charles Buck (AD 1771 – AD 11 Aug 1815) Jesus is called “Angel” and “Archangel”.

    John Butterworth, minister (born AD 1727- died AD 1803) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    Thomas Taylor (AD 15 May 1758 – AD 1 November 1835) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    Patrick Fairbairn (AD 28 January 1805 – AD 6 August 1874) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    William Baxter Godbey (AD June 3, 1833 - AD September 12, 1920) cites Dr. Clarke that Jesus is “Michael”.

    Matthew Pool[e] – (AD 1624 – AD 1679) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    Sir William Smith (AD 20 May 1813 – AD 7 October 1893) – Jesus is “Michael” and cites others Luther, Hengstenberg, etc.

    Thomas Coke (AD 9 September 1747 – AD 2 May 1814) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    John Guyse (AD 1680 - AD 1761) – Jesus is “Michael”, and called “Angel”, etc

    Elhanan Winchester (AD 1751 in Brookline, Massachusetts – AD April 18, 1797) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    George Sale (AD 1697, Canterbury, Kent, England – AD 1736, London, England) ; George Psalmanazar (AD 1679? - AD 1763),; Archibald Bower (AD 17 January 1686 – AD 3 September 1766) ; George D. Shelvocke (baptised AD 1 April 1675 - AD 30 November 1742) ; John Campbell (AD 1708 - AD 1775); John Swinton (AD 1703 - AD 1777) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    The Church of England Magazine. Under the superintendence of the clergymen of the United Church of England and Ireland. Vol. IV. No. 85; January 6, 1838. By James Burns. – Jesus is “Michael”.

    Robert Hawker (AD 1753 – AD 1827) – Jesus is “Michael” and “Archangel”.

    Samuel Horsley (AD 15 September 1733 – AD 4 October 1806) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    The London Encyclopedia, or Universal Dictionary … 1839. – Jesus is “Michael”.

    The Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible; Volume 4; M-P, Revised, Full-Color Edition; - cites that many Protestants, Hengstenberg, etc that Jesus is “Michael”.

    Hermann Witsius (Herman Wits or in Latin Hermannus Witsius) (AD 12 February 1636 – AD 22 October 1708) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Reinerus Vogelsangius (AD 1610 - AD 1679) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    Johannes Cloppenburg (AD 1592 - AD 1652) - Jesus is Michael the “Angel of the Lord”.

    Ralph Griffiths (AD c.1720 – AD September 28, 1803) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    Campegius Vitringa Sr., or Kempe Vitringa[1] (born at Leeuwarden, May 16, 1659; died at Franeker, March 31, 1722) – Jesus is “Michael” the “Archangel”.

    Martin Luther (AD 10 November 1483 – AD 18 February 1546) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    Philipp Melanchthon (AD 16 February 1497 – AD 19 April 1560) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Johann Wigand (ca. AD 1523 - AD 21 October 1587) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    David Chytraeus or Chyträus (26 February 1530, Ingelfingen – 25 June 1600, Rostock) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    Giovanni Diodati or Deodati (AD 6 June 1576 – AD 3 October 1649) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Andrew Willet (AD 1562 – AD 4 December 1621) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    William Miller (AD February 15, 1782 – AD December 20, 1849) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Carl L. Beckwith, - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Robert W. Bertram (AD 27 March 1921 - AD 13 March 2003) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Dr. Frances N. Lee (AD 1934 - AD Friday 23rd December, 2011) - - Jesus is “Michael”.

    David Harold Chilton (AD 1951 – AD 1997) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Milton Spenser Terry (AD 1840 - AD 1914) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    George Whitefield - December 27 [O.S. December 16] 1714 – September 30, 1770) speaks by symbol, Jesus is our “Michael”.

    James Petigru Boyce (AD 1827 – AD 1888) citing John Pye-Smith, Jesus is “probably” “Michael”.

    The Rev Dr John Pye-Smith FRS, FGS (AD 25 May 1774 - AD 5 February 1851) - Jesus is “probably” “Michael”.

    Christmas Evans (AD 25 December 1766 – AD 19 July 1838) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    The Christian Gleaner and Domestic Magazine for 1825, Volume II; London; published by B. J. Holdsworth, 18, St. Paul's Churchyard. – Jesus is “Michael”.

    Carl Ferdinand Wilhelm Walther (AD October 25, 1811 – AD May 7, 1887) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    John Gill (AD 23 November 1697 – AD 14 October 1771) – Jesus is “Michael”.

    Charles Spurgeon (AD 9 June 1834 – AD 31 January 1892) Jesus is the “True Michael”.

    Matthew Henry (AD 18 October 1662 – AD 22 June 1714) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Thomas Adams (AD 1583 – AD 1653) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Heinrich [Henry] Bullinger (AD 18 July 1504 – AD 17 September 1575) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Isaac Watts (AD 17 July 1674 – AD 25 November 1748) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    William Kinkade (AD 22nd Sept. 1783 - AD 20th Sept. 1832) [became Arian later; Heresy] - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Jonathan Edwards (AD October 5, 1703 – AD March 22, 1758) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    1560/1599 Geneva Study Bible- Jesus is “Michael”.

    John [Jean] Calvin (born Jehan Cauvin: AD 10 July 1509 – AD 27 May 1564) - Jesus is “Michael” and does not disagree with others who see the same.

    Francois Du Jon aka Franciscus Junius (born François du Jon, AD 1 May 1545 – AD 13 October 1602) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    John Wesley (AD 28 June [O.S. 17 June] 1703 – AD 2 March 1791) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    John Brown of Haddington (AD 1722 – AD 19 June 1787) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    James Wood (AD 1751 – AD 1840) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Ernst Wilhelm Theodor Herrmann Hengstenberg (AD October 20, 1802, Fröndenberg – AD May 28, 1869, Berlin- Jesus is “Michael”.

    Wikipedia, The Online EncyclopediaMichael (Archangel); subsection - “Protestant Views” – cites John A. Lees, and Hengstenberg, Jesus is “Michael”.

    International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, comment on section “Michael” by John A. Lees. - Jesus is “Michael”.

    John Bunyan (AD 28 November 1628 – AD 31 August 1688) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Henry Ainsworth (AD 1571 – AD 1622) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Thomas Watson (c. AD 1620 – AD 1686) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    James Glasgow D.D. (AD 27 May 1805 – AD 1890 ) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    James Hastings (AD 1852 – AD 1922) and George Cunninghame Monteath Douglas (AD 1826 – AD 1904- Jesus is “Michael”.

    Thomas Hobbes Scott (17 April 1783 – 1 January 1860) - Jesus may indeed be “Michael” as “many” others say.

    Hezekiah Holland (born ca. AD 1617, living AD 1660) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Adam Clarke (AD 1760 or AD 1762 – AD 1832) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    George Balderston Kidd (Cottingham, near Hull, AD 28 July 1794 – AD 1852) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    James Durham (AD 1622 – AD 1658) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Bryce Johnston (AD 1747 - AD 1805) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Thomas Haweis (AD 1 January 1734 - AD February 11, 1820) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Abingdon Bible Commentary, 1929; Editor, Edwin Lewis (AD 1881 – AD 1959) was an American Methodist theologian primarily associated with Drew University in New Jersey. Others involved - Frederick Carl Eiselen; David G. Downey. - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Johann [John] Peter Lange (AD 10 April 1802 in Sonneborn (now a part of Wuppertal) – AD 9 July 1884), and Elijah Richard Craven (AD Mar. 28 1824, in Washington D.C. - AD Jan. 5 1908, in Philadelphia, Pa) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Thomas Robinson (AD 1813/14 - AD 1890) - Jesus is “Michael”.

    Johann Friedrich Haug ((AD * 1680, AD † 18. May 1753) and The Berlenburger Bibel [aka 'Berleb. Bible', 'Berleburger Bibel', etc.] is in the years AD 1726 - AD 1742) - Jesus is “Michael”.
     
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    Notice the chiastic structure.

    [A1] Revelation 12:1-5 = Woman, Child and Dragon

    [B1] Revelation 12:6 = Woman in Wilderness for 1,260 days [years]

    [C1] Revelation 12:7-9 = War between Michael and Satan in Heaven

    [D1] Revelation 12:10 = Cross, Power of Christ, His Victory

    [D2] Revelation 12:11 = Lamb, Blood of Christ, Their [overcoming saints] Victory in Him​

    [C2] Revelation 12:12 = Dragon permanently cast down to Earth fights against Jesus' body​

    [B2] Revelation 12:13-16 = Woman in Wilderness, for a time, and times, and half a time [aka, 3 1/2 times or 1,260 days [years]]​

    [A2] Revelation 12:17 = Woman, her Seed and Dragon​
     
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    Jesus / Michael

    Rev. 12:7; see also Exo. 15:11; 1 Kin. 8:23; Psa. 71:19; see also Deut. 33:26; 2 Chro. 6:14; Job 36:22; Psa. 35:10, 86:8, 89:8, 113:5; Jer. 10:6-7; Mic. 7:18

    ... Michael ...”;

    ... Who is like unto God? ...”

    Satan / Dragon


    Rev. 13:4

    ... Who [is] like unto the beast? ...”

    [In this Revelation, there is an unholy union of three, the Dragon [Satan] takes the place of the Father, the 1st Beast takes the place of the Son [Greek] “Anti-Christos” or [Latin] “Vicarius Christi”, and the 2nd Beast [aka, False Prophet, Harlot Daughters] takes the place of the Holy Spirit, causing fire to come down, it is a false and lying spirit, performs miracles, causes the deadly wound to be healed on the 1st Beast, a copy of the resurrection of Son, dying and yet coming to life again, etc]​

    Rev. 12:7

    “... Michael ...” [War in Heaven]

    Rev. 12:7

    “... the dragon ...” [War in Heaven]

    Rev. 12:11,13:8; see also Gen. 3:21, 4:4, etc.

    “... blood of the lamb ...”, “... lamb slain from the foundation of the world ...” [War in the Garden of Eden on earth]

    Rev. 12:9,14,15, 20:2; see also Gen. 3:1,2,4,13,14

    “... that old serpent ...” [War in the Garden of Eden on earth]

    Rev. 12:13

    “... brought forth the man child ...” [War continues in the earth]

    Rev. 12:9,12

    “... cast out into the earth ...”, “... the devil is come down ...” [War continues in the earth]

    Rev. 12:10; see also Luke 4:18, etc.

    “... his Christ ...”, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me ...” [War continues in the earth's wilderness]

    Rev. 12:9; see also Luke 4:2, etc.

    “... called the Devil ...”, “... Satan ...”, “Being forty days tempted of the devil ...” [War continues in the earth's wilderness]

    Rev. 12:10; see also Rom. 5:6

    “... the power of his Christ ...”, “For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.” [War continues at the Cross of Calvary]

    Rev. 12:10

    “... the accuser of our brethren is cast down ...” [War continues at the Cross of Calvary]

    Rev. 12:17; see also “... the seed ...”, Gen. 3:15; Gal. 3:16; see also Acts 9:4-5, 22:7-8, 26:14-15

    “... remnant of her seed ...” [War continues against the Church, the body/bride of Christ]

    Rev. 12:17; see also Rev. 12:14,15

    “... the dragon was wroth ...”, “... face of the serpent ...”, “... the serpent ...” [War continues against the Church, the body/bride of Christ]

    Jesus / Michael

    John 12:19

    “... behold, the world is gone after him.”​

    Satan / Dragon

    Rev. 13:3; see also Dan. 11:43

    “... all the world wondered after the beast.”, “But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.”​

    Jesus / Michael

    Exo. 15:3; Isa. 42:13; Luke 14:31; Rev. 17:14, 19:11

    “The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.”, “The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.”, “Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?”, “... the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.”​

    Satan / Dragon

    Rev. 13:4, 17:14, 19:19

    “... Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”, “These shall make war with the Lamb ...”, “And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.”​
     
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    Alofa Atu Well-Known Member

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    The Pure, Clean, Woman

    Rev. 12:1,2; see also 1 Tim. 2:9

    “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:”, “And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.”, “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;”​

    The Impure, Unclean Woman

    Rev. 17:1,2,3,4,5, 18:16

    “And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:”, “With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”, “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”, “And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:”, “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”, “And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!”​

    Rev. 12:6,14

    “... And the woman fled into the wilderness ...”, “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness ...”​

    Rev. 17:3

    “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman ...”​

    Rev. 12:17

    “... the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”​

    Rev. 19:10

    “... I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”​

    Rev. 14:8

    “And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”​

    Rev. 18:1,2,3

    “And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.”, “And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.”, “For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.”​

    Rev. 12:1

    “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman ...”​

    Rev. 12:3, 13:1, 17:3

    “And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.”, “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”, “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”​

    Rev. 12:5

    “And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron ...”​

    Rev. 19:15

    “... he shall rule them with a rod of iron ...”​

    Rev. 12:6,14; see also Dan. 7:25, 12:7; see also Luke 21:24

    “... a thousand two hundred and threescore days.”, “ … a time, and times, and half a time ...”, “... a time and times and the dividing of time ...”, “... a time, times, and an half ...”, “... the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”​

    Rev. 11:2,3, 13:5

    “... foot forty and two months ...”, “... a thousand two hundred and threescore days ...”, “... forty and two months.”​

    Rev. 12:8, 21:27; see also Dan. 12:1

    “And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.”, “... but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life ...”, “... every one that shall be found written in the book.”​

    Rev. 13:8, 17:8, 20:11,12,15, 22:19; see also Dan. 2:35

    “... not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”, “... whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world ...”, “... and there was found no place for them.”, “... the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.”, “And whosoever was not found written in the book of life ...”, “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”, “... that no place was found for them ...”​

    Rev. 12:11

    “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.”​

    Rev. 17:6,14, 20:4

    “And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus ...”, “... and the Lamb shall overcome them ...”, “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God ...”​

    Rev. 14:2

    “... many waters ...”​

    Rev. 17:1

    “... many waters ...”​

    Rev. 14:4

    “... virgins ...”​

    Rev. 17:5

    “... harlots ...”​

    Rev. 14:7

    “... hour ...”​

    Rev. 17:12, 18:10,17,19

    “... hour ...”​

    Rev. 14:7

    “... his judgment is come ...”​

    Rev. 18:10

    “... is thy judgment come.”​

    Rev. 14:8

    “... Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city ...”​

    Rev. 18:10

    “... Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! ...”​

    Rev. 14:10, 16:19, 18:6

    “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:”, “And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.”, “Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.”​

    Rev. 14:8, 17:2,4

    “... because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”, “With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”, “... having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:”​

    Rev. 14:1, 15:4, 16:9, 19:12,13,16, 22:4

    “... having his Father's name written in their foreheads.”, “Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy ...”, “... the name of God ...”, “... he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.”, “... his name is called The Word of God.”, “... a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”, “... his name shall be in their foreheads.”​

    Rev. 13:1, 14:9,11, 15:2, 17:5

    “... upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”, “... forehead ...”, “... the mark of his name ...”, “... his name ...”, “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”​

    Rev. 14:14, 19:12

    “... the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown ...”, “...on his head were many crowns ...”​

    Rev. 9:7, 12:13, 13:1

    “... on their heads were as it were crowns like gold ...”, “... even crowns upon his heads.”, “... upon his horns ten crowns ...”​

    Rev. 7:4

    “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”​

    Rev. 9:16

    “And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.”​
     
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    The Three Angels Messages

    Rev. 14:6,7,8,9,10,11,12; see also Dan. 11:2

    “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,”, “Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.”, “And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”, “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,”, “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:”, “And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”, “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”, “And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia ...”​

    The Three fallen Angels Messages

    Rev. 16:13,14; see also Dan. 11:3,4

    “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.”, “For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.”, “And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.”, “And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.”​

    The Fourth Angels Message [Come out and receive not the Mark of the Beast, but the Seal of the Living God, and Live Forever, a Death decree from God, from the North and East; True King of the North]

    Rev. 18:1,2,3, 15:2; see also Dan. 11:2

    “And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.”, “And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.”, “For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.”, “And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.”, “... in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.”​

    The Fourth fallen Angels message [Come together in Babylon the Great and receive the Mark of the Beast or die, death decree from Satan, & the Beast, from the South and West; false King of the North]

    Rev. 13:15,16,17, 17:12,13,17; see also Dan. 11:3

    “And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”, “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:”, “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”, “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.”, “These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.”, “For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”, “And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.”, “And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.”​
     
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