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Just_Ahead
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Good question. The following references shed some light on this question.
Genesis 15:6
Romans 4:1-22
Galatians 3:6-9
Hebrews 11:8-10
Hebrews 11:17-19
Adam and Eve shared faith in God while in the garden, and afterward when raising the first family.
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Genesis 15:6
Romans 4:1-22
Galatians 3:6-9
Hebrews 11:8-10
Hebrews 11:17-19
Adam and Eve shared faith in God while in the garden, and afterward when raising the first family.
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Looking forward to see what others will say.
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Do you really think verses about Abraham could apply to Adam and Eve?
How could there be a claim made by some wicked ne to salvation using the same thinking?
Reformed1689
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The Scriptures never state that Eve sinned, rather she was deceived into an action that was sinful. She certainly sinned, but not intentionally.
The Jews present that Eve was therefore placed in a lesser and protected position - because she displayed both naivety and emotional weakness.
Adam actually intellectually, emotionally, and physically sinned. He chose Eve rather than God. “By one man sin entered the world.”
This is why we must love the Lord with heart, mind, strength.
This is also why Mary did not pollute the Lord Jesus at conception.
The Godly women are always overshadowed and under the protected care of first the father, then husband, then (upon death of husband) the church, all under the watch of the Lord Jesus.
Not so with the men.
Before the foundation of the world, before Adam was created and the woman was taken from him, was there going to be the need for redemption?
1 Peter 1:18-20 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
How did the redeemer come into the world?
Gal 4:4,5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Matt 1:20-25 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Under what law was the first child, the seed of the woman, born?
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die
Did birth have anything to do with the need for redemption?
Psalms 51:5 NKJV Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.
What did Eve and Adam learn by hearing from the serpent?
What did Joseph learn by hearing from the angel of the Lord?
James 1:13-15 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
The need for redemption.
I wonder what Adam lusted for? The fruit of the tree?
1 Peter 1:18-20 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
How did the redeemer come into the world?
Gal 4:4,5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Matt 1:20-25 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Under what law was the first child, the seed of the woman, born?
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die
Did birth have anything to do with the need for redemption?
Psalms 51:5 NKJV Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.
What did Eve and Adam learn by hearing from the serpent?
What did Joseph learn by hearing from the angel of the Lord?
James 1:13-15 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
The need for redemption.
I wonder what Adam lusted for? The fruit of the tree?
Dave G
Well-Known Member
I remembering searching this out some years ago, and came to this conclusion:
Looking for the tell-tale "flags" in Scripture, such as, "the Lord's servant", "the prophet of the Lord", "prophetess", "beloved", "after God's own heart", "found favor with", "feared God", "loved the Lord", etc....
Neither Adam nor Eve are mentioned in Hebrews 11....but Abel is ( Hebrews 11:4 ).
Miriam, Aaron and Moses are all mentioned in this fashion ( Exodus 15:20, Micah 6:4 ), as well as Daniel ( Daniel 9:23 ), David ( 1 Samuel 13:14, 2 Samuel 7:8, Acts of the Apostles 13:22 ), Noah ( Genesis 6:8 ), Solomon ( 1 Kings 3:3, 2 Samuel 12:24 ), Job ( Job 1:1, Job 1:8 ), and many others in Scripture.
Because Adam and Eve are never mentioned in this way anywhere that I can find in God's word, I conclude that they were not saved, as both Abraham and Sarah were...having done things by faith, and having found the grace of God.