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Featured What Bothers You About the Supremacy of God

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Particular, Oct 11, 2019.

  1. Particular

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    A synonym for supremacy is imperium. Imperium is defined as:
    supreme power or absolute dominion. It also means: the right to command or to employ the force of the state.

    What bothers you about God's imperium?
     
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    Nothing bothers me about it.
     
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    What bothers me about God's imperium is that He allows Calvinists to pose strawman arguments on theological discussion boards.



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    #4.
     
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    I freely and happily accepted it, no need to claim it was forced upon me and that I couldn't find it in heart but had no choice. For me it wasn't about fear of His power so much but moreso about His attributes of love and wisdom.
     
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    Not.
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    Thing.

    I have to remember that He is perfect and just, and that if He exercises His supremacy with regard to saving someone or not, He has reasons that are far better than what I could come up with.
    I've already considered that He has plans-within-plans-within-plans when it comes to His dealings with men.

    With His ways and thoughts so far above my own, I must trust that His will is always the sure and correct way, despite other thoughts to the contrary that may creep in.
     
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    Nothing. God being the uncaused omnipresent reality in which all other things exist. Acts of the Apostles 17:28, " . . . For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; . . ."
     
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    Sin?
     
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    I don't want to confuse you any more but the way you answer these kinds of questions is to actually read what the person quoted with their reply and then you will know what they are responding to. I know, what a concept, eh?
     
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    God commands and absolutely does not want YOU to sin ever again.

    So the next time you do come tell us what bothers you about God's imperium.
     
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    Why absolutely nothing
     
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    Are you acquainted with any suggestion of people being in 'sin' that is associated with the Bible?
     
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    Are you acquainted with why it is fallacious to try to create red herrings and smoke screens rather than address what was actually said?
     
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    "I freely and happily accepted it,"

    ... to not be bothered by The Supremacy of God,
    as the result of you being acquainted with the suggestion of people being in 'sin' that is associated with the Bible, which is what association as you understand it?

    "no need to claim it was forced upon me"

    ... to not be bothered by The Supremacy of God,
    as the result of you being acquainted with the suggestion of people being in 'sin' that is associated with the Bible, which is what association as you understand it?

    "and that I couldn't find it in heart"

    ... to not be bothered by The Supremacy of God,
    as the result of you being acquainted with the suggestion of people being in 'sin' that is associated with the Bible, which is what association as you understand it?

    "but had no choice."

    .... to not be bothered by The Supremacy of God,
    as the result of you being acquainted with the suggestion of people being in 'sin' that is associated with the Bible, which is what association as you understand it?

    "For me it wasn't about fear of His power so much but moreso about His attributes of love and wisdom."

    ...to not be bothered by The Supremacy of God,
    as the result of you being acquainted with the suggestion of people being in 'sin' that is associated with the Bible, which is what association as you understand it?
     
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    Its funny how folks shut down about God's Supremacy when you mention God does not want them to sin ever again and they will sin anyway.
     
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    "God commands and absolutely does not want YOU to sin ever again",

    and if you are acquainted with the suggestion of people being in 'sin' that is associated with the Bible,

    what is your association to being 'a sinner' as you understand it?
     
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    Did anything cause you to not qoute Calvin and an argument on this board that can be shown to be Calvinist?

    Did the sin of Adam affect you to not add that to your Glorification of The ALMIGHTY Supremacy of God?
     
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    If God did not choose to extend mercy, neither you nor I would ever sin again.
    Why do you suppose God chooses to extend mercy and wait, utilyan? It has to do with God's Supremacy.
     
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    My Father is not waiting, Working in my life everyday. His mercy is everlasting because he cares for others.

    Has me encouraging my little brothers to stand up against the evil in their own heart. To take courage and be themselves , think for themselves for once, and do the right thing in the face of fears of terrorism and annihilation.


    Satan is only motivated by his VANITY. The laws revolve around his vanity, salvation of others on his vanity. his "glory" is highest priority. Of course a megalomaniac like that calls himself God.
     
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    Your brothers will miss the mark. They will fall to evil. They will be the terrorists who annihilate others.
    Except by the mercy and grace of God, our wickedness would be great.

    Genesis 6:5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
     
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