Featured Jesus is Israel. How so?

You evidently didn't read the last post.

 

The Church is SPIRITUAL Israel. The Jews & other of Jacob's descendants are PHYSICAL Israel, plain-n-simple. And obviously, they're still full of unbelievers. However, Paul said they could be grafted into God's kingdom all-the-more-readily.

Your denial of physical Israel is ridiculously-false in the face of Scripture. As I said, you seemta believe only those passages which suit you.

 

How can Israel and Christian be the same? That doesn't make sense. If Iran is planning on nuking Israel, that means the country and not Christianity, right? I am a gentile and always will be. The ground at the cross is level. Period.

 

Thanks!

I don't see the point of saying that today's Jerusalem and Israel are not the Biblical one since the I know Scripture is complete. The Romans destroyed Israel in 70 AD and dispersed the Jews into slavery so that with the subsequent fall of Rome for their perfidy against the Jews, time led the Jews throughout the gentile world and rendered Israel as a wilderness wasteland.

No matter what you yourself call them, they still have a rendezvous with destiny because they are the chosen people, the prodigal son. Ezekiel 20:34-45 says God is going to bring them together from all of the nations and talk to them face-to-face. God has called them from the 4 corners of the earth and placed them right back where they started and He is going to open up a pool to clean them up to make them see what they have done and how they cannot run away. God is not going to break his promise which not only was given to Abraham but even Adam and Eve were not abandoned after their sin, as you know.

Jerusalem is a cup of trembling.

Jews and gentiles have not traded places. There is more to being a Jew than circumcision. God brought the dispersed Jews back to the wilderness of modern day Israel in 1948 after the Germans tried to murder everyone of them and then Stalin was embarking on the same course when he dropped dead. Then the Muslims attacked Israel.

Replacement theology overlooks the fact that God is going to bring the Jews back to the promised land and straighten them out and clean them up. If gentiles think that they want to be dispersed to the heathen, they are mucho loco because are only grafted in.

 

I already told you that the modern Jews are not like the Old Testament Jews. I don't know what you are saying exactly by that point.

Don't you concede that after 70 AD there was a diaspora of Jews throughout the world and out of Israel forced by the nazi-like Romans? And I agree that many Jews, especially in America are just leftist secularist and not much account.

I don't see how you can say that the Jews who escaped the holocaust, where Jews were murdered for being Jews, and then were brought back to the promised land by God are not Jews since the Germans clearly identified them as Jews. Who do you say died in the holocaust if not Jews?

And how do you define this OT verse? Ezekiel 20:34-35 (KJV) And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

Now you are wrong about the Temple because the veil was torn into two sections and the Temple is null and void and Christians do not go to Temples but Churches, so I do not understand you there at all.

Armageddon is defined in the NT very clearly and it is not an attack on the church at all. It is a specific place in Israel, which is not a Christian country. Revelation 16:16 (KJV) And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

 

I'm about done with you. You're a hopeless reprobate far as man is concerned. Only the HOLY SPIRIT can remove the apostate garbage from your mind.

I, and others , have patientlyshown you Scripture and history PROVING the Jewish people of today are Israelis, and that God has promised to restore both physical Judah & Israel. But yet you still insist they're not Israelis !

I'm gonna leave you to waller in your own monkeyshines for awhile.

 

I have clearly disagreed with 1689Dave on the issue in question, so I'm not trying to defend his position.

I think you have taken the rhetoric a bit far.

 

You never answer any questions, do you?

I asked you 6 quetions and you never even answered 1 or even tried. I see a great future for you in politics.

 

Jews in nazi Germany were blamed for real or imagined exploitation of the German people. They identified as Jews, but that doesn't make them the same as the Circumcision in the Bible who had faith in God and no scripture but the Old Testament.

If God was going to restore biblical-national Israel, he would have said so in the New Testament. Ezekiel prophesied during the Babylonia captivity. Everyone hearing his prophesies at the time would have taken Ezekiel to mean that God would restore them from captivity. God kept his word and did that in the 6th century BC. That's a literal fulfillment, and it was contingent on the Jews turning to God. Christians also see a spiritual fulfillment in the establishment of the church in the First Century AD, where God's people across time and space have been gathered together. But, to claim that the modern, faithless state of Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy is pure nonsense.

At the risk of stating the obvious, people gathering for war at Armageddon is not the restoring of Israel. Post again on this topic when we see three frog spirits come out of the mouths of the beast and false prophet and pointlessly gather on Megiddo hill.

 

Today's Jews are the descendants of "the circumcision", even though most of 'em reject their Messiah.

Remember, God told Zeke the dry bones represented the WHOLE House of Israel, not just the Jews. So far, He has restored only most of the Jews to their own land, & none of the rest of Israel.

And "Armageddon" will be where the antichrist's army comes to try to fight against the returned Jesus. Won't muchuva battle, as Jesus will destroy that army with His spoken word, while casting the antichrist & the false prophet alive into the lake of fire.