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  1. Walpole

    Walpole Well-Known Member

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    He also said this...

    "The apostle Peter, after he has established the church in Antioch, is sent to Rome, where he remains as a bishop of that city, preaching the gospel for twenty-five years." - Eusebius, The Chronicle
     
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    This post convinces me that you have not read them in their entirety, rather, you have likely only read the parts that are taken out of context to call Luther Anti-Semitic.
     
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    Yes, and since he wouldn't be a first hand witness that doesn't make it necessarily true.
     
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  4. Walpole

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    And here comes the, "You're a liar!" schtick.


    ---> Sola Scriptura is a tradition / doctrine NOT found in Scripture. This is a fact, not a lie.
     
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    Sola Scriptura = Only Scripture


    ALL Scripture ≠ ONLY Scripture
     
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    Clearly you are talking out of your hat. I don't believe for a minute that you have read either work.

    If you won't read the primary source material from Luther himself, there are voluminous works written by historians about Luther's anti-semitism.
     
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    Wow you can't get more distorted in thinking than this.
     
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    I don't care what you believe about what I have or have not done.
     
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    Really? Don't add to these words.
     
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    Allow me to rephrase Martin Luther Comment.

    I don't believe in most of what Luther wrote primarily because what he wrote was written with political motives. Everything he did right down to communion and the rest was a split down the middle between Catholicism and the Bible. He heavily favored the middle ground and political expediency. Although, this may have been helpful at the time, the result is that the theology he came up with is worthless outside the 16th century.

    His focus was not on spreading the Gospel, but rather on reforming a Church. This is why Lutherans are not known for their massive evangelical efforts. I don't think that he is evil, but he was a man of the time, not a man meant to spread a message that would last throughout time like Paul.

    In his time, Martin Luther was needed, but after his time, his writings are basically worthless.
     
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    Throw his testimony out the window. We have the countless others and the bones.

    History is Protestant kryptonite.
     
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    Is that your argument for sola Scriptura? If so, you must toss out the entire New Testament!
     
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    2 Timothy 3:14-15 NLT
    But you must remain faithful to the things you have been taught. You know they are true, for you know you can trust those who taught you. [15] You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus.
     
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    Acts 17:10-12 NLT
    That very night the believers sent Paul and Silas to Berea. When they arrived there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. [11] And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul’s message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth. [12] As a result, many Jews believed, as did many of the prominent Greek women and men.
     
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    This poses a couple of major problems for Protestants.

    First, nowhere does St. Paul mention sola Scriptura. Secondly, St. Timothy was the uncircumcised son of Greek gentile father and Greek-speaking Jewish mother. The scriptures that St. Timothy studied had to be the Septuagint, which contains books Protestants reject!
     
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    Just as I thought.

    NOWHERE does it deem “anathema” anybody who preaches Christ crucified nor does is condemn the idea that that trough His death and resurrection we have salvation.

    This was just another historically-bankrupt, anti-Catholic claim.
     
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    Matthew 5:17-19 NLT
    “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. [18] I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. [19] So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
     
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    And, as I told you before - the Pope was called "Pontifex Maximus" - LONG before Christianity was ever made legal in the Roman Empire - while the Church was STILL being persecuted showing that this was not a title bestowed by Rome - but by fellow Christians.

    STUDY your history . . .
     
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    This poses another problem for Protestants. What Scriptures would the Bereans have found that confirmed what St. Paul was telling them - that a man named Jesus, who had died and rose from the dead and is the Christ - was true? Please be specific.

    Things to consider when answering...

    - The Bereans were Greek-speaking Jews

    - St. Paul was telling them that Christ suffered, died and rose again (Acts 17:3)

    - What prophesy in the Old Testament matches this, stating a man who claims to be the actual Son of God would suffer, be put to death and in the end be triumphant?

    - What verse from Scripture do the Jewish rulers quote to Jesus at the foot of the cross?


    Hint: It's not in the Protestant Bible
     
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    The concept of Scripture being the sole basis for belief is repeated as a motif throughout the New Testament. You have to be obstinate to miss it.

    Septuagint argument is lame. It has been refuted elsewhere. The Jews at the time, including Timothy, did not consider the second temple writings to be scripture. They were beneficial to read but of lesser importance. Regardless, I rarely see Catholics quoting the missing books of the Septuagint. You always seem to have to quote people far after the Septuagint.

    If quoting the books missing from in the Protestant Bible helps your case, I would be glad to hear about it. After all, the NLT does have a Catholic Edition translated by evangelicals.
     
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