Dis-Unity of Sola Scrptura

When asked to produce the doctrine of Scripture Alone in Sacred Scripture alone Hollow Man responded with the following list of Scripture as evidence of “Scripture Alone”.

It is quite evident this doesn’t meet the explicit standard - Scripture Alone. It simply doesn’t meet the requirements of Scripture Alone. In fact in content of the story seems to implicitly dispel sola Scriptura. The King had Deuteronomy read (the Book of the Law) to him. He summoned the high priest and asked for an interpretation - he couldn’t understand what was read. Where did the Josias go, to the book? He went to the Church. Josias called the high priest who in turn called Holda “prophetess the wife of Sellum the son of Thecua”.

Therefore, Scripture would have us to consult with the ‘Church’ to determine the meaning of Scripture.

St. Paul is commissioning Timothy as a Bishop giving advice how to fulfill his ministry as ‘teacher’. St. Paul doesn’t advise to simply have his parishioners ‘read’ the Old Testament (the New Testament hadn’t been compiled at this time - some yet to be written); rather to use the Scripture to ‘inspire’, establish doctrine of reproof as well as correction. We must ask, if reading scripture alone actually saves, then why instruct one on being righteous? Instead he advises the use of scripture to be ‘furnished’ with and for “good works”. Thus, these verses prescribe Scripture for “good works”, which you likely deny is necessary for salvation.

Because Christ quotes Old Testament (Deuteronomy 8:3) doesn’t imply Sola Scriptura. He does say that man should live by the words that proceed from the ‘mouth’ of God. God speaks to us as individuals ‘verbally’. He doesn’t leave little written messages around the house and work for us to find. Rather he speaks to us from a multitude of sources including Scripture.

Reading these verses it seems to me it is Satan who is citing Scripture. Is this how we should understand Sola Scriptura, tempting the Lord with His own BOOK?

The Lord said to worship Him, he didn’t say anything about worshiping a book.

I have read Scripture, I have heard Scripture, I have heard and read the Church and was ‘inspired of God, profited by her teaching in Scripture, reproved, corrected, and ‘instruct in justice’, but not by Scripture Alone. Rather, by the infallible rule of faith consisting of Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, the Holy Church, the council of Bishops, the Early Church Fathers, miracles as well as common reasoning.

Revelation 22:18-19: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

This doesn’t say anything about Scripture Alone, it doesn’t instructed to use Scripture Alone, nor does it say to worship a book; instead, it councils against adding to or subtracting from. When we read with our mind Alone, we subjectively decide the meaning we take the truths as relative to our own understanding and we rationalize this truth to be as good as any other - which it may or may not be. Those truths taught by the Holy Catholic Church are directed by the Holy Spirit, thus an absolute authority.

Nothing about Scripture Alone

And did David eat of the loaves of proposition or not?

This verse means that the prophets had written that created man has a certain nature, which is in monogamy and the undissolvable union of one man and one woman. [Genesis 11:24]. Yet some who read BOOK ALONE say this isn’t so, saying it means only one woman at a time for each man. In this case both past Pharisee and present Pharisee can’t read.

Just because it says “read” doesn’t establish BOOK ALONE positive proof of the doctrine of Sola Scriptura.

Christ’s ministry consisted of two things, the defeat of death, and the Kingdom of God. He ascended into heaven leaving us with His Kingdom.

And Christ also said, “neither have you heard his [John’s] voice at any time, nor seen his shape. And you have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him you believe not.” Did John write a book? What was to be ‘heard’ from John? If they had listened instead of searching scripture, they would had eternal life. But, they didn’t search Scripture for truth did they?

Sola Scriptura is the implied doctrine that all of God’s Truths are subjective and that all truths are equally true from one to another. They are generated from the interior and subjectively forced to the exterior where they are maintained in the philosophies of all competing truths as equally valid. Since doctrinal truths are projected outwardly they form an unyielding synthesis of morality in self-determined will of God. This builds the false works of tolerance on which one places his podium of moral authority. The differences between individuals are cajoled with tolerance of equally valid truths.

There is no universally accepted definition of Sola Scriptura, nor is there the least hint in Scripture.

What is your universal definition of Sola Scriptura? Show using the tenets of Sola Scripture the evidence in Scripture. And how has unity manifested itself in Sola Scriptura, has your church united with another in any doctrine other than the protest of the Church in Rome?

JoeT

 

[edited: flaming] You did indeed claim the listed verses demonstrate "Sola Scriptura"

Sola Scripture is a Latin phrase the means and directly translated as "Scripture Alone." Praxis in Latin means "the practice". Therefore one who practices the discipline of Scripture Alone not only accepts the authority of Scripture wherein is all the knowledge one needs for Salvation, some say it is proof their name is found on the scroll of life, or the Book of the living. [Apocalypse 20:11-15]

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I did explain, in a one on one refutation of your Sola Scriptura evidence. But, again to understand the meaning of the discovered hidden book, Josias went to the high priest and a prophetess. [4 Kings 22:14]. It is usually understood that the book found by Josias was Deuteronomy, however it may have been the fire books of the Torah. Either way, what Josias did NOT do was read Deuteronomy or the Torah for himself. As Catholics do today, he read Sacred Scripture in the light of the Church.

Not exactly. In fact, it is Timothy he is commissioning to 'teach' and scripture (Old testament) is a good tool for the instructor to use for showing his parishioners "The Way" of the Lord. Not that they should be 'readers of a book'. Rather, to instruct them on the way of truth.

Scripture Alone, or Sola Scriptura is usually defined as a theological doctrine where by the sole and infallible rule of faith is authenticated by Scripture. The immediate problem one runs into is the Protestant removal of the deuterocanonical books. Also, we find that there is discipline in the practice of faith, meaning of Scripture, or the direction of 'the Way' of the Lord in communities accepting Sola Scriptura as doctrine. Primarily because of the tendency to read and understand as the sole arbiter of faith all of which results in anarchy of faith as well as the praxis of faith. Lastly the theological doctrine of Scripture Alone is not found in Scripture, alone or otherwise. In fact we see that we find in Scripture Alone that private interpretation is an invalid approach [Cf. 2 Peter 1:20]. Furthermore, only Twelve (as representatives of His Kingdom) were given the instructions to "Baptize and teach" [Cf. Matthew 28:20]

Anyone who participates in these forums knows the error in the statement "we are one church". You are not. Nor, would you be willing to extend that "one Church" to the Catholic Church.

Pope Francis observes your unity:

. . . Benedict XVI, called the "tyranny of relativism", which makes everyone his own criterion and endangers the coexistence of peoples. And that brings me to a second reason for my name. Francis of Assisi tells us we should work to build peace. But there is no true peace without truth! There cannot be true peace if everyone is his own criterion, if everyone can always claim exclusively his own rights, without at the same time caring for the good of others, of everyone, on the basis of the nature that unites every human being on this earth. [Pope Francis, Sala Regia, March 22, 2013]​

This tyranny is visible in the continuing split of Protestant evangelical and reform churches - it won't be too many decades and we'll have one man one church rule. The vagaries for the cause of the split always seem to include being ‘Sola Scriptura’ but without specificity. If, as a matter of fact, the two sides were equally ‘governed by Scripture as the sole infallible rule of faith for the Church’ what reason does either side have to split? Each side of the split should be able to demonstrate in Scripture ALONE how it governs alone by rule. But, where in Scripture is that authority given to a book? Only the Catholic Church makes the claim that the sole and infallible rule of faith is God’s truth revealed through Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the Holy Church - this replaces subjectivity, relativism and rationalizations with objectivity whereby Truth resides in something holy and is taken into the interior to be experienced. [Cf. Matthew 18:18 only one body of believers were given authority]

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JoeT

 

Here is the link to your post

 

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Please explain.

JoeT