Jesus Christ was Born of Woman . . . fact or fiction?

I'm not sure what you mean by "Types give was to the reality". Nevertheless, Catholics hold types to be Old Testament people and events that foreshadow or prefigure New Testament events and people. This is clearly defined in the Catholic Catechism. of the Catholic Church:

The Church, as early as apostolic times, [Cf. 1 Cor 10:6,11; Heb 10:l; l Pet 3:21] and then constantly in her Tradition, has illuminated the unity of the divine plan in the two Testaments through typology, which discerns in God's works of the Old Covenant prefigurations of what he accomplished in the fullness of time in the person of his incarnate Son. [CCC 128]

Christians therefore read the Old Testament in the light of Christ crucified and risen. Such typological reading discloses the inexhaustible content of the Old Testament; but it must not make us forget that the Old Testament retains its own intrinsic value as Revelation reaffirmed by our Lord himself. [Cf. Mk 12:29-31]. Besides, the New Testament has to be read in the light of the Old. Early Christian catechesis made constant use of the Old Testament.[ Cf. 1 Cor 5:6-8; 10:1-11] As an old saying put it, the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New. [Cf. St. Augustine, Quaest. in Hept. 2,73L 34,623; Cf. DV 16.] [CCC 129]​

Indeed she did saying,

My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him. He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy: As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever.[Luke 1:46-55]

Indeed, did I not say Mary didn't need to be saved, she was preserved from sin by God by a singular act of mercy. Not just for Mary's sake but for humanity's salvation.

Your statement is based not on Scripture alone by on the traditions of the protest against God's holy Church. Your tradition says, "if it ain't in the bible it ain't so". But, being a renowned biblical scholar such as you are please point out the verse that says any other named is the child of Joseph and Mary.

I contend as the Church does, that to have violated Mary's virginity would have resulted in the wrath of God on steroids; she was the consummated spouse of the Holy Spirit. [Luke 1:35].

I'm glad you straightened me out about what "until" means - 'up to a certain point' because at Anna's age it must've been really hard on the old widow up til her 84th year after which her husband re-animated. If she was a widow "up to" 84 years of age then she must've become un-widowed after that: at least by your logic.

JoeT

 

I'm sure it was a monk. Lets see if we can reason Mary was a type of New Eve, more precisely she was an anti-type of Eve.

Eve was sinless before the fall and was seduced by the word of the serpent.
Mary was sinless and trusted the word of God
Hence the anti-type Eve is Mary.

Let's add another type, Mary is a type an Ark of the Covenant. The Covenant, written word of God was housed in an Ark. The New Covenant word of God, manna from heaven rested in the womb of Mary.

And another type, Mary is a type Ark built by Noah that carried 8 across the dark waters of a sinful world to the dry shores of salvation. Mary carried one across the dark waters of sin amassed in the world since Adam to the salvific shores of our justification in water and Holy Spirit Baptism.

It is Mary who ‘magnifies’ the Lord in here unique humility and desire to serve God. She is immaculately conceived, without sin, original sin or actual sin. It is through Mary that God acts to bring His Wisdom to life in the perfect flesh of man across the dark waters of sin in the Ark of Mary’s womb to the shores of our salvation.

Nor are planes trains and automobiles not stated in Scripture, but 100% fact, they are a reality. Mary has been honored as the Ever Virgin Mother of God from the first century. Its so stated in the Apostles Creed which has it roots in the Apostles. She is an absolute necessity to magnify the Lord which remains unknown to the world except through Mary.

Ebionism suggests Mary to a mere woman with original sin and an uncontrollable concupiscence and as such Jesus Christ was mere man. Jesus would have original sin predestine to become God like prophet neither being considered as a God or a man. Maybe we could believe Scripture better if Mary was the way every other woman was considered in the first century, sinful, lustful and ignorant with no more rights in the community than a child. This is the Mary of the Adoptionist who contends that Jesus Christ was merely the adopted Son of God. He was the ordinary human prodigy of Joseph and Mary but when He was baptized the Holy Spirit claimed his body. You might say a man possessed by a good spirit. Then there is Docetism which draws it name from the Greek dokein which means “to seem”. Christ wasn’t real, that is he was merely a vision of a man thus Mary was nothing but background material, she wasn’t part of God’s plan - rather an obstacle for God to be ignored. He wasn’t really born in the same sense a real men are born, rather he simply appears and everybody assumes he was born. Docetism holds that His suffering on the cross was a phantasmal being, which is only the appearance of a man. Then there is the Arianism, the another Protestant faith in Jesus Christ. This is your Jesus Christ for sure. Arianist and smi-Arians nearly won the battle, however Mary kept getting in the way. Jesus was wholly devine and related to God as the son and had the nature man, sort of. His human nature was subservient to the divine nature and did not act. Rather it was always the divine nature that acted in Jesus Christ. His substance as such was divisible. The Arianist reduced the Word of God to a demigod with a beginning and end.

The Son is homoiousias according to the Arianist, the Son is of similar essence as the Father opposed to the Catholic who holds the Son as homoousias, that is to say the Son is of the same essence as the Father. You see yourself predated by some 1700 years in the game of word play.

Nestorianism holds that the baby in Mary's womb had only one nature, divine nature. The logical extension of this heresy is that man is a hypostasis, but not the person without the individual characteristics. Thus Christ has no essence outside of the way the Apostles define His individual traits. Nestorianism then has the Person of Christ defined by the physical body. And the way the battle ensued over the mere title of the "Theotokos" it became clear that without the Mother of God there could be no reality in the Divinity of Christ uniquely and inseparably joined to man would not be possible. Hence both Nestorianism quickly died away with Arianism falling shortly thereafter. If there is no mother of God, then there is no whole and complete union between the Divine God and His creation, man. All faith in Christ as described by Scriptures would eventually fall into worship of a mythical Christ.

It is Mary who gives us a window to this simple truth. Apollinarianism holds that the spoken Word assumes the Body of Jesus Christ. Mary merely provides the flesh and the incubator for an automaton comprised of flesh. There is only one will in the Second Person of Christ for the Apollinarianist, the divine will. The Person of Jesus Christ is wholly divine, but only partly human, that is the flesh of a human without a will to animate the body and as such incomplete essence of the Second Person. Last here, but not the last the final Christological heresy is Monophysitism, Christ is a perfect man with a complete human nature ‘assumed’ by God. There is but one essence and one nature. Here too we seen the absence of Mary as a magnifier. The comparison between Monophsitism and Nestrianism is seen in two simple lines.

You need Mary to magnify the Lord

JoeT

 

What you really mean is that God couldn't wouldn't and shouldn't honor the Mother of His Son. People do indeed honor Mary for her part in our Salvation, and so must you for the sake of your salvation.

JoeT

 

Really, how many emissaries of God were sent to you to say, you were bear the Son of God? How many emissaries of God were sent to you to say, 'good job'?

JoeT

 

If you hear the Church you hear Jesus Christ, if you despise the Church then you despise Christ. [Cf. Luke 10:16]

It does indeed effect your salvation if you identify a Book instead of Jesus Christ as your savior. We say Jesus Christ is the Living Logos, the Wisdom of God, Mary was the Mother of the Word of God, the Living Wisdom. Jesus Christ is the personification of Justice, Mary the mother of the living Justice.

It does indeed, he saves those justified, the act of moving from unjust to perfectly just.

When was the last time you walked and talked with God in the flesh? I hate to be the one who tells you this, but yes Mary is much better than all of us put together.

Like you honor a clay pot?

? really, you heap sin on her and say you honor her and she's greatly blessed?

JoeT

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "Types give was to the reality". Nevertheless, Catholics hold types to be Old Testament people and events that foreshadow or prefigure New Testament events and people. This is clearly defined in the Catholic Catechism. of the Catholic Church:

The Church, as early as apostolic times, [Cf. 1 Cor 10:6,11; Heb 10:l; l Pet 3:21] and then constantly in her Tradition, has illuminated the unity of the divine plan in the two Testaments through typology, which discerns in God's works of the Old Covenant prefigurations of what he accomplished in the fullness of time in the person of his incarnate Son. [CCC 128]

Christians therefore read the Old Testament in the light of Christ crucified and risen. Such typological reading discloses the inexhaustible content of the Old Testament; but it must not make us forget that the Old Testament retains its own intrinsic value as Revelation reaffirmed by our Lord himself. [Cf. Mk 12:29-31]. Besides, the New Testament has to be read in the light of the Old. Early Christian catechesis made constant use of the Old Testament.[ Cf. 1 Cor 5:6-8; 10:1-11] As an old saying put it, the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New. [Cf. St. Augustine, Quaest. in Hept. 2,73L 34,623; Cf. DV 16.] [CCC 129]​

Indeed she did saying,

My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him. He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy: As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever.[Luke 1:46-55]

Indeed, did I not say she was preserved from sin by God.

Mary and Joseph had several children after the birth of Jesus.
Joseph did not "know " Mary, Until after the birth of Jesus.[/QUOTE]

 

In this thread Mary has been accused of being an adulterer in the accusation of having other children. She was the spouse of the Holy Spirit, He "overshadowed" her. Both Mary and Joseph would have been adulterers producing more children. Thus, either the God is a rapist or their relationship spousal. Such accusations are no less heretical than calling her a hooker.

JoeT