Animism?

[Particular]

Well then lets hear the gospel from you instead. My point is you never get around to actually preach it, You rather accuse the brethren.

Lets hear the gospel right now since you love it so much. Some demonic oppressed who are so repulsed by the gospel they can't get around to preach it or stand to hear it. Lets delight in the Word of God.

Praise Our LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Utilyan, this thread is about Animism in the Roman Catholic Church and how animism empowers the attraction to apparitions.
Start a new thread entitled: The Gospel According to Utilyan
We can debate your version of the gospel. In this thread, you are off topic. You are goading others.

 

[utilyan]

Utilyan, this thread is about Animism in the Roman Catholic Church and how animism empowers the attraction to apparitions.
Start a new thread entitled: The Gospel According to Utilyan
We can debate your version of the gospel. In this thread, you are off topic. You are goading others.

Impossible.

YOU guys already forcefully proclaimed our gospel being Worship of the Devil, Worship of Mary, Worship of Serpents.
So lets get rid of those off topic comments first.


AnimismAnimism - Wikipedia


Unless the subject is worship of the EASTER BUNNY, you got the wrong word.

Honesty from you Particular? What a joke.

Don't you know evil always fights dirty? Not a lick of honor, depends on misrepresentation.

 

[Particular]

Impossible.

YOU guys already forcefully proclaimed our gospel being Worship of the Devil, Worship of Mary, Worship of Serpents.
So lets get rid of those off topic comments first.


AnimismAnimism - Wikipedia


Unless the subject is worship of the EASTER BUNNY, you got the wrong word.

Honesty from you Particular? What a joke.

Don't you know evil always fights dirty? Not a lick of honor, depends on misrepresentation.

The OP brought up Mary and apparitions as it relates to Animism. That's the topic. Bow out if you cannot stay on topic.
Start a new topic and share your gospel. I don't believe you have ever actually articulated what you exactly believe. All I see is you hating John Calvin. I never see you presenting a clear, precise doctrine that you believe. Start a thread. Call it "The Gospel According to Utilyan."

 

[utilyan]

The OP brought up Mary and apparitions as it relates to Animism. That's the topic. Bow out if you cannot stay on topic.
Start a new topic and share your gospel. I don't believe you have ever actually articulated what you exactly believe. All I see is you hating John Calvin. I never see you presenting a clear, precise doctrine that you believe. Start a thread. Call it "The Gospel According to Utilyan."

"All I see is you hating John Calvin."

If you were anything like John Calvin that would be great. He didn't believe in anthropomorphism of God were actual, He believed in Child baptism, practically held universal love of ALL children in particular as being innocent.
Read his institutes.

You follow a radical version, the problem is you don't even believe what you proclaim. So we need to turn up the heat till your as consistent as the smartest Calvinist--> hyper-Calvinist, westboro Calvinist, etc.

"Bow out if you cannot stay on topic."
I am on topic, You brought up a false gospel first.

YOU guys already forcefully proclaimed our gospel being Worship of the Devil, Worship of Mary, Worship of Serpents.
So lets get rid of those off topic comments first.

OR BOW OUT, if you cannot stay on topic.


"I never see you presenting a clear, precise doctrine that you believe. Start a thread. Call it "The Gospel According to Utilyan."

That is right, because YOU TELL US, what we believe. Irregardless of what we say you will never hear "clear precise doctrine that we believe" You are all MOUTH and NO EARS. Its great you admit it for once.
Even on this thread YOU say we worship Devil, MARY, Pope and Serpent. What kind of respect is that?


I can cite your doctrine to a T. to the point you can't call it a misrepresentation. And it is still trash.

 

[Particular]

"All I see is you hating John Calvin."

If you were anything like John Calvin that would be great. He didn't believe in anthropomorphism of God were actual, He believed in Child baptism, practically held universal love of ALL children in particular as being innocent.
Read his institutes.

You follow a radical version, the problem is you don't even believe what you proclaim. So we need to turn up the heat till your as consistent as the smartest Calvinist--> hyper-Calvinist, westboro Calvinist, etc.

"Bow out if you cannot stay on topic."
I am on topic, You brought up a false gospel first.

YOU guys already forcefully proclaimed our gospel being Worship of the Devil, Worship of Mary, Worship of Serpents.
So lets get rid of those off topic comments first.

OR BOW OUT, if you cannot stay on topic.


"I never see you presenting a clear, precise doctrine that you believe. Start a thread. Call it "The Gospel According to Utilyan."

That is right, because YOU TELL US, what we believe. Irregardless of what we say you will never hear "clear precise doctrine that we believe" You are all MOUTH and NO EARS. Its great you admit it for once.
Even on this thread YOU say we worship Devil, MARY, Pope and Serpent. What kind of respect is that?


I can cite your doctrine to a T. to the point you can't call it a misrepresentation. And it is still trash.

I notice you cannot articulate your own gospel...

 

[utilyan]

I notice you cannot articulate your own gospel...

Because I articulate Christ's:

9“Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.

10‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.

11‘Give us this day our daily bread.

12‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

13‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]

 

[Particular]

Because I articulate Christ's:

9“Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.

10‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.

11‘Give us this day our daily bread.

12‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

13‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]

That is a prayer
What is the gospel, utilyan?

 

[utilyan]

That is a prayer
What is the gospel, utilyan?

Mathew Mark Luke and John.

The entire Gospel is there in the Lord's prayers.
We are not kidding.

ARTICLE 1
"THE SUMMARY OF THE WHOLE GOSPEL"

2761 The Lord's Prayer "is truly the summary of the whole gospel."7 "Since the Lord . . . after handing over the practice of prayer, said elsewhere, 'Ask and you will receive,' and since everyone has petitions which are peculiar to his circumstances, the regular and appropriate prayer [the Lord's Prayer] is said first, as the foundation of further desires."8

I. AT THE CENTER OF THE SCRIPTURES

2762 After showing how the psalms are the principal food of Christian prayer and flow together in the petitions of the Our Father, St. Augustine concludes:
Run through all the words of the holy prayers [in Scripture], and I do not think that you will find anything in them that is not contained and included in the Lord's Prayer.9
2763 All the Scriptures - the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms - are fulfilled in Christ.10 The Gospel is this "Good News." Its first proclamation is summarized by St. Matthew in the Sermon on the Mount;11 the prayer to our Father is at the center of this proclamation. It is in this context that each petition bequeathed to us by the Lord is illuminated:
The Lord's Prayer is the most perfect of prayers. . . . In it we ask, not only for all the things we can rightly desire, but also in the sequence that they should be desired. This prayer not only teaches us to ask for things, but also in what order we should desire them.12
2764 The Sermon on the Mount is teaching for life, the Our Father is a prayer; but in both the one and the other the Spirit of the Lord gives new form to our desires, those inner movements that animate our lives. Jesus teaches us this new life by his words; he teaches us to ask for it by our prayer. The rightness of our life in him will depend on the rightness of our prayer.

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From the moment he says OUR FATHER thats GOSPEL = GOOD NEWS.

Great News. We have a Father in Heaven.

Jesus Commands ALL TO PRAY......OUR FATHER. He doesn't say MY FATHER, he doesn't say wait you in the back.....he's not your Father don't pray this.

9“Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.

10‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.

11‘Give us this day our daily bread.

12‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

13‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]


Jesus Christ is the epitome of his will done on earth. Our daily bread. God forgives us. God rescues us from evil.


Open your eyes, The entire Gospel is here, That is what makes it a perfect prayer.

 

[Particular]

Mathew Mark Luke and John.

The entire Gospel is there in the Lord's prayers.
We are not kidding.

ARTICLE 1
"THE SUMMARY OF THE WHOLE GOSPEL"

2761 The Lord's Prayer "is truly the summary of the whole gospel."7 "Since the Lord . . . after handing over the practice of prayer, said elsewhere, 'Ask and you will receive,' and since everyone has petitions which are peculiar to his circumstances, the regular and appropriate prayer [the Lord's Prayer] is said first, as the foundation of further desires."8

I. AT THE CENTER OF THE SCRIPTURES

2762 After showing how the psalms are the principal food of Christian prayer and flow together in the petitions of the Our Father, St. Augustine concludes:
Run through all the words of the holy prayers [in Scripture], and I do not think that you will find anything in them that is not contained and included in the Lord's Prayer.9
2763 All the Scriptures - the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms - are fulfilled in Christ.10 The Gospel is this "Good News." Its first proclamation is summarized by St. Matthew in the Sermon on the Mount;11 the prayer to our Father is at the center of this proclamation. It is in this context that each petition bequeathed to us by the Lord is illuminated:
The Lord's Prayer is the most perfect of prayers. . . . In it we ask, not only for all the things we can rightly desire, but also in the sequence that they should be desired. This prayer not only teaches us to ask for things, but also in what order we should desire them.12
2764 The Sermon on the Mount is teaching for life, the Our Father is a prayer; but in both the one and the other the Spirit of the Lord gives new form to our desires, those inner movements that animate our lives. Jesus teaches us this new life by his words; he teaches us to ask for it by our prayer. The rightness of our life in him will depend on the rightness of our prayer.

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From the moment he says OUR FATHER thats GOSPEL = GOOD NEWS.

Great News. We have a Father in Heaven.

Jesus Commands ALL TO PRAY......OUR FATHER. He doesn't say MY FATHER, he doesn't say wait you in the back.....he's not your Father don't pray this.

9“Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.

10‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.

11‘Give us this day our daily bread.

12‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

13‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]


Jesus Christ is the epitome of his will done on earth. Our daily bread. God forgives us. God rescues us from evil.


Open your eyes, The entire Gospel is here, That is what makes it a perfect prayer.

I see you cannot tell me what the gospel is. I will wait for you to tell me exactly what the gospel of utilyan actually is.
I can copy and paste other people's thoughts all day long. Do you want me to quote from Calvin's Institutes? That won't be what I say, but it will be what Calvin said 500 years ago.
Now, what is the gospel according to utilyan? Be a dear and tell us in your own words.

 

[David Kent]

Luke 6:46 Why Call ye me Lord, Lord, and do not the things I say.

 

[David Kent]

Well then lets hear the gospel from you instead. My point is you never get around to actually preach it, You rather accuse the brethren.

Lets hear the gospel right now since you love it so much. Some demonic oppressed who are so repulsed by the gospel they can't get around to preach it or stand to hear it. Lets delight in the Word of God.

Praise Our LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[Walpole]

I am not arguing about imaginary and ridiculous apparitions Satan has put within the brain of the Papacy et caterva, and in all their followers, all sons of Devil that follow that Beast that is sat in the Vatican City, the Pope and woman his Prostitute, the Roman Catholic Church, which rides upon him.

Yeah, it's not the ridiculous and insignificant belief of the sons of the Great Whore what imports, the most important is to lay hold on the Dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him, and cast him into the bottomless pit to stop him to spread his idolatries and sorcery through the religious MONSTER of 7 heads, and 10 horns, the Papacy, that the Devil deceives not the nations no more through his cunningly devised fables.

If Jesus ever appears quotes a Greek pagan poet, would be a sign it is not genuine, and instead of the devil?

a. Yes
b. No
c. Not necessarily

 

[Particular]

If Jesus ever appears quotes a Greek pagan poet, would be a sign it is not genuine, and instead of the devil?

a. Yes
b. No
c. Not necessarily

Did Jesus quote a Greek poet? Please share the quote.

 

[Oseas3]

Well then lets hear the gospel from you instead. My point is you never get around to actually preach it, You rather accuse the brethren.
Lets hear the gospel right now since you love it so much. Some demonic oppressed who are so repulsed by the gospel they can't get around to preach it or stand to hear it. Lets delight in the Word of God.
Praise Our LORD JESUS CHRIST.

The Lord Jesus will be revealed from celestial places with His mighty messengers in flaming FIRE taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obeyed not His gospel that was preached for a witness unto all nations, from now on they will be punished with eternal destruction in the presence of the Lord JESUS, and from the glory of His power.


He will be glorified in His saints, and will be admired in this Day, the Lord's Day, in all them that believed in His testimony and believed in this Day. He comes with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and even they of Israel that pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him, the faithful witness and first begotten of the dead, the prince of the kings of the earth.


Yeah, among His people he has made kings and priests unto God and His Father and they will reign on the earth-Revelation 5:v.10. Hallelujaaaah!!!

Unto Him that did love the people He redeemed and washed them from the sins in His own blood. To Him be Glory and Dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Walpole]

Did Jesus quote a Greek poet? Please share the quote.

Yes, He did. He did it in...wait for it...wait for it...wait for it...

...an apparition!

 

[Oseas3]

If Jesus ever appears quotes a Greek pagan poet, would be a sign it is not genuine, and instead of the devil?

a. Yes
b. No
c. Not necessarily

Yeah, it's not the ridiculous and insignificant belief of the sons of the Great Whore what imports, the most important is to lay hold on the Dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him, and cast him into the bottomless pit to stop him to spread his idolatries and sorcery through the religious MONSTER of 7 heads, and 10 horns, the Papacy, that the Devil deceives not the nations no more through his cunningly devised fables.

 

[Particular]

Yes, He did. He did it in...wait for it...wait for it...wait for it...

...an apparition!

LOL
That was Jesus Martinez from Las Cruses when he waded through some sewer gas...

 

[Walpole]

LOL
That was Jesus Martinez from Las Cruses when he waded through some sewer gas...

Uh oh!

When St. Paul experienced the apparition of our Blessed Lord on the road to Damascus, our Blessed Lord quotes the Greek pagan poet Euripides' play, the Bacchae to him.

Acts 26:14 ---> And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, 'Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.'


Euripides' Bacchae ---> "I would rather do him sacrifice than in a fury kick against the pricks; thou a mortal, he a god."


Lest you accuse me of special pleading, here are Protestant commentaries affirming our Blessed Lord's quotation of the pagan Euripides in His apparition:

---> Acts 26:14 Commentaries: "And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'


Houston, we have a problem...

 

[David Kent]

Anyone familiar with the teachings of Bethel Church, Redding? They seem to use similar new age teachings as Walpole and his friends.

 

[Particular]

Uh oh!

When St. Paul experienced the apparition of our Blessed Lord on the road to Damascus, our Blessed Lord quotes the Greek pagan poet Euripides' play, the Bacchae to him.

Acts 26:14 ---> And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, 'Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.'


Euripides' Bacchae ---> "I would rather do him sacrifice than in a fury kick against the pricks; thou a mortal, he a god."


Lest you accuse me of special pleading, here are Protestant commentaries affirming our Blessed Lord's quotation of the pagan Euripides in His apparition:

---> Acts 26:14 Commentaries: "And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'


Houston, we have a problem...

So, why would God use a proverb that a Hellenized Jewish Rabbi would understand?

“It is hard for you to kick against the pricks” was a Greek proverb, but it was also familiar to the Jews and anyone who made a living in agriculture. An ox goad was a stick with a pointed piece of iron on its tip used to prod the oxen when plowing. The farmer would prick the animal to steer it in the right direction. Sometimes the animal would rebel by kicking out at the prick, and this would result in the prick being driven even further into its flesh. In essence, the more an ox rebelled, the more it suffered. Thus, Jesus’ words to Saul on the road to Damascus: “It is hard for you to kick against the pricks.”

Of the better-known Bible translations, the actual phrase “kick against the pricks” is found only in the King James Version. It is mentioned only twice, in Acts 9:5 and Acts 26:14. The apostle Paul (then known as Saul) was on his way to Damascus to persecute the Christians when he had a blinding encounter with Jesus. Luke records the event: “And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks” (Acts 26:14 KJV). Modern translations have changed the word pricks to goads. All translations except the KJV and NKJV, omit the phrase altogether from Acts 9:5.

Second, Jesus is not an apparition when he meets Saul...unless you believe Jesus is a dead ghost.

Walpole, you keep avoiding the obvious animism in your church that has gone on now for over 1200 years. Why is that?