Armageddon & 7 The Last Plagues & Millennium & New Heaven and New Earth

[robycop3]

Yes, as it is the period of time called the millennium, for the second advent is its beginning (heaven passes away) and the 3rd advent its ending (earth passes away).

It cannot occur on 'any' day. It cannot occur today, or even tomorrow. There are events of prophecy that must yet be fulfilled and thus cannot take place until those take place. It is soon though by the signs and events even now transpiring. The exact time is known to God, and won't be known by us until after probation closes and just before Jesus' is seen coming in the clouds of angels when the voice of God the Father speaks it from Heaven.

I MEANT that it can occur on any day of the week. But you're right, for once, that it won't occur today except for those who die today, whose final destination is thus sealed today.

The antichrist/beast must first come & the great trib must occur first, as Jesus said He'd return immediately after the great trib was ended.

 

[Alofa Atu]

I MEANT that it can occur on any day of the week. ...

Ok, that was a bit unclear in your last response. I understand what you mean now.

Yet, even so, I also do not think the return can occur on 'any day of the week', but is specific to the time the Father has set, and is thus a very specific day of the week, which we shall know by the Father's own voice after the time that probation closes.

What I do know from scripture, is that the trip to the third Heaven will last 7 days (Lev 23, etc), and so I have an idea on which day of the week such might begin on, but nothing dogmatic, only speculative based upon previous pattern.

 

[utilyan]

I think God is going to pull an upset like he did with Jesus. We might even get an anti-hero.


Matthew 6
34“So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 

[robycop3]

Ok, that was a bit unclear in your last response. I understand what you mean now.

Yet, even so, I also do not think the return can occur on 'any day of the week', but is specific to the time the Father has set, and is thus a very specific day of the week, which we shall know by the Father's own voice after the time that probation closes.

What I do know from scripture, is that the trip to the third Heaven will last 7 days (Lev 23, etc), and so I have an idea on which day of the week such might begin on, but nothing dogmatic, only speculative based upon previous pattern.

But WE don't know what day of the week it'll be. Jesus said it'd be at a time when most men don't believe it'll be on.

However, the antichrist must come to power first, & the great trib must occur. That trib won't run the full 3.5 years, as Jesus said it'd be cut short lest all flesh (man & animal) perish. And, in reading the brief description of its plagues, i the Revelation, I can see why. The burning up of all green grass will starve lotsa animals.The death of all life in the seas speax for itself. Great earthquakes, the sun's scorching people, fresh water becoming blood, blockage of most natural light, etc.will, of course, cause many deaths, & were those conditions to continue very long, all people & animals would die.

And Jesus said He'd return immediately after the trib ended.

 

[robycop3]

I think God is going to pull an upset like he did with Jesus. We might even get an anti-hero.


Matthew 6
34“So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

That anti-hero will be the "beast/antichrist".

 

[robycop3]

And "Armageddon" will be the gathering of the "beast's" military to attempt to fight against the returned Jesus.

 

[Alofa Atu]

And "Armageddon" will be the gathering of the "beast's" military to attempt to fight against the returned Jesus.

Armageddon (Revelation 16:16), a spiritually named location, and the event thereof, takes place before Christ's return. Context sandwich:

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.​

 

[robycop3]

Armageddon (Revelation 16:16), a spiritually named location, and the event thereof, takes place before Christ's return. Context sandwich:

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.​

No, Armageddon is a real place, Har-Megiddo, the Plain of Megiddo. Read Rev. 16 closely. The armies gather at Armageddon, but no battle occurs there then.

To see the battle, we must skip ahead to Rev. 19 where the story picks up again. Jesus returns, & the beast has his army gathered at Armageddon try to attack Him, but Jesus destroys it by His spoken word, & the beast & his sidekick the false prophet are cast alive directly into the lake of fire.

 

[Alofa Atu]

No, Armageddon is a real place, Har-Megiddo, the Plain of Megiddo ...

You are still stuck in type, the natural, but by the time of Revelation's anti-type it is spiritual and global (thus 'kings of the earth', meaning the rulers of the whole world), not a localized natural location.

 

[robycop3]

You are still stuck in type, the natural, but by the time of Revelation's anti-type it is spiritual and global (thus 'kings of the earth', meaning the rulers of the whole world), not a localized natural location.

Guess you were never in the military. A modern force can move quite-rapidly, but still needs a place to deploy. Since Jesus will be in Jerusalem, Armageddon would be a good place from which to try to attack Him.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Guess you were never in the military. A modern force can move quite-rapidly, but still needs a place to deploy. Since Jesus will be in Jerusalem, Armageddon would be a good place from which to try to attack Him.

If you carefully read Zechariah 14, there are two Jerusalem's mentioned therein. Also, if you compare Zechariah 14 to Revelation 20 (also Isaiah 24, etc) you will notice that the surrounding of the real City (New Jerusalem) happens after the 1,000 years, the "many days". You will also see that is called "Gog and Magog" or the final and complete portion (with all the wicked who ever lived, resurrected) of the battle (Armageddon) that began at the beginning of the 1,000 years (which was only the wicked that were alive at the 2nd advent).

old Jerusalem (Mt. Moriah) will face New Jerusalem (Mt. Olivet) to its east.

The objection I have raised has nothing to do with mobility, or rapidity (even sister White stated quite clearly that the final movements will be "rapid ones"). It has to do with scriptural principle of natural, then spiritual. Local then global. Even the book of Revelation is telling you it is something spiritual and global taking place, and referring back to the OT event as the type (in the Hebrew tongue, thus OT).

 

[robycop3]

If you carefully read Zechariah 14, there are two Jerusalem's mentioned therein. Also, if you compare Zechariah 14 to Revelation 20 (also Isaiah 24, etc) you will notice that the surrounding of the real City (New Jerusalem) happens after the 1,000 years, the "many days". You will also see that is called "Gog and Magog" or the final and complete portion (with all the wicked who ever lived, resurrected) of the battle (Armageddon) that began at the beginning of the 1,000 years (which was only the wicked that were alive at the 2nd advent).

old Jerusalem (Mt. Moriah) will face New Jerusalem (Mt. Olivet) to its east.

The objection I have raised has nothing to do with mobility, or rapidity (even sister White stated quite clearly that the final movements will be "rapid ones"). It has to do with scriptural principle of natural, then spiritual. Local then global. Even the book of Revelation is telling you it is something spiritual and global taking place, and referring back to the OT event as the type (in the Hebrew tongue, thus OT).

"Sister" White was a quack.

The after-millenium attack will be another one, and the ENTIRE army will be destroyed fy fire from heaven, while in the first Gog-magog war, only 5/6 of the army will be destroyed.

And the wicked dead WILL NOT be resurrected to join in this last attack. that's nonsense. These wicked will be people infected by the then-recently-freed Satan.

 

[Alofa Atu]

"Sister" White was a quack.

You will learn soon enough, and I pray not too late to avoid the fate foretold, about how God feels about those who mock at His ambassadors with His word.

The after-millenium attack will be another one, and the ENTIRE army will be destroyed fy fire from heaven, while in the first Gog-magog war, only 5/6 of the army will be destroyed.

Can you please explain the 5/6 part? Not sure where you are getting this. What verse/s do you refer to, please? Fa'afetai lava.

And the wicked dead WILL NOT be resurrected to join in this last attack. that's nonsense. These wicked will be people infected by the then-recently-freed Satan.

Who are these that are resurrected after the 1,000 years:

Rev_20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. ..."​

 

[Alofa Atu]

That anti-hero will be the "beast/antichrist".

Anti - Christos is koine Greek. Yet if we simply translate it into the language of the Kingdom that was then, and still exists now (though broken); Rome (thus Latin):

koine Greek - Anti (in the place of) Christos (Anointed)

Latin - Vicarivs (in the place of) Christi (Anointed)​

All the "vicars" of Christ of Rome, fulfill the prophecies of the 'many' antichrists, which deny that Jesus came in the fallen sinful flesh of mankind.

Paul warned of them:

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.​

 

[Oseas3]

Latin - Vicarivs (in the place of) Christi (Anointed)
All the "vicars" of Christ of Rome, fulfill the prophecies of the 'many' antichrists, which deny that Jesus came in the fallen sinful flesh of mankind.

Speaking of the pseudo Vicarius Filii Dei, I replied Adonis in the topic "pope-francis-rejects-viri-probati-for-amazonanother", as follow:

You should think and worry on you and all peoples like you, as a followers of the satanic church guided by the blasphemy Beast of sea, the Pope, the Papacy, a MONSTER of 7 heads, and 10 horns, who has a NAME of blasphemy, that is Vicarius Filii Dei, what is a LIE, it is a FAKE, the Pope is a LIAR, in TRUTH, before the Most High and Almighty God, the Pope is a Vicarius Filii Diaboli, and will be cast down into the lake of FIRE, the hell's FIRE, and all his followers together with him. Revelation 19:v.19-20

JESUS has already CURSED by His own MOUTH and by written all people that are at his left hand, and the Papacy, and the Roman Catholic Church with all his devilish and monstruous structures, and all his followers, ALL ARE CURSED, YES, THEY ALL ARE CURSED, and destined to the hell's fire.

The MONSTRUOUS structures SATAN has built and established in whole Earth through the Papacy, in Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Oceania(Australia), and North America, and Central America, and South America, since the beginning of the Church of the Lord, ALL ARE CURSED BY JESUS. By the way, JESUS is sit on His Throne to Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ.

YEAH, all the MONSTRUOUS structures that SATAN has built and established in whole Earth through the Papacy, in these 7 REGIONS of the Planet, as Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Oceania(Australia), and North America, and Central America, and South America,and it since the beginning of the Church of the Lord, YEAH, ALL THE PAPACY's MONSTRUOUS STRUCTURES ARE CURSED BY JESUS, and condemned to ETERNAL perdition into the hell's FIRE.